OT- Riots, who is responsible?

[Sibelius Hindemith]

By the way, I will never spend another cent on anything related to the NFL as long as Goodell is the commish. Eff them all.

[HawkBowler 2.0]

By the way, I will never spend another cent on anything related to the NFL as long as Goodell is the commish. Eff them all.

I agree with the sentiment but I can't overcome my NFL addiction. They could ban white people from the stadium and I would show up in black face.

What's annoying to me is the lie upon a lie. Kneeling wasn't about the flag, it was support for BLM and their false notion that innocent black men are hunted by the cops.

It's hard to counter this socialist narrative. Rejection of BLM is tantamount to rejecting black people in general for a lot of people. Any criticism is met with "What, you don't think black lives matter?" All Lives Matter has been tried. Blue Lives Matter. My personal favorite... Black LIES Matter.

However, I think there's a new slogan that might just catch on -- ALL Black Lives Matter. This was painted on Hollywood BLVD the other day. It's a subtle trap for the Marxists. BLM only focuses on the deaths of unarmed black men at the hands of the cops. Last year there was a total of only 9 of those incidents. Meanwhile, 60 black people were shot during a single weekend in Chicago... many of those people innocent women and children ... no news coverage, why? Don't ALL black lives matter?

[Sibelius Hindemith]

That's a good idea, but unfortunately it's too late to try to win in the arena of ideas and rhetoric. The left has overwhelming control of the messages that are pumped into the developing minds of the youth and it's been that way for most of this century. Most of them will rubberstamp their ballots "Democrat" for the foreseeable future if not the rest of their lives. Sadly, it would probably take experiencing the impact of socialism and leftist totalitarianism over many years for enough of them to wake up out of their public education induced stupor and change their voting, but by then it would be too late. I don't know what the solution is. Decent and honest black people who value liberty and individualism need to speak out but who will broadcast what they have to say besides some conservative radio shows and bloggers that are only heard and read by conservatives? Any white people trying to voice opposition to the big lie will be cancelled, excommunicated, and/or erased

[Coeurd’Alene J]

All black lives matter. Just might help the craziness. Put some back on their heels just a little bit


On the Seattle shit pile or chop, chaz or wtf. I’m good watching it play out. Anyone who lived there before this latest shit storm had to be fully aware of the bend of the neighborhood. This is free advertising for the election of President Trump

[D-train]

By the way, I will never spend another cent on anything related to the NFL as long as Goodell is the commish. Eff them all.

I agree with the sentiment but I can't overcome my NFL addiction. They could ban white people from the stadium and I would show up in black face.

What's annoying to me is the lie upon a lie. Kneeling wasn't about the flag, it was support for BLM and their false notion that innocent black men are hunted by the cops.

It's hard to counter this socialist narrative. Rejection of BLM is tantamount to rejecting black people in general for a lot of people. Any criticism is met with "What, you don't think black lives matter?" All Lives Matter has been tried. Blue Lives Matter. My personal favorite... Black LIES Matter.

However, I think there's a new slogan that might just catch on -- ALL Black Lives Matter. This was painted on Hollywood BLVD the other day. It's a subtle trap for the Marxists. BLM only focuses on the deaths of unarmed black men at the hands of the cops. Last year there was a total of only 9 of those incidents. Meanwhile, 60 black people were shot during a single weekend in Chicago... many of those people innocent women and children ... no news coverage, why? Don't ALL black lives matter?

You could bring your buddies Northham and Trudeau!

[D-train]

There was this clown on Fox news that literally posed the question, "Why is falling asleep in a drive thru at Wendy's a death sentence?"

Like the cops saw him in the drive through and walked up and shot him in the head point blank while he slept. It is that type of nonsensical rhetoric that keeps the conflict going endlessly.

[Sibelius Hindemith]

The black woman (forget her name) that is being touted as Biden's running mate besically said the same thing. Imagine, if she becomes president, what kind of "reforms" she will be pushing for.

[gil]

I think there has been some bad data presented that is both "pro" Hydroxychloriquin and against its use. It's too bad that we jump to our sides and argue rather than waiting for real research to start showing some findings. Giving patients a placebo in a double blind study doesn't violate the Hippocratic Oath. I'll trust the scientific process more than politician or the media (or bloggers or tweeters or ...)

Well, that's the problem Gil. You're not trusting "science" at all. You're trusting Dr. Rachel Maddow and the health institute of the Washington Post.

If you cared about the science you would trust the doctors who treated actual covid patients, Raoult in France, Stephens in New York. Raoult didn't give a separate group a placebo because he didn't want them to get sick and die. He couldn't do that as a doctor following the Hippocratic oath. I'm not sure why that's hard to understand.

When people are sick and dying, there's no time to wait for a two year study. There are plenty of people who took the drugs who say it saved their lives. Why don't you believe them? Amy Klobuchar's husband is one of them.

I see your argument, i.e., no time to do research when it's time to act. But ....

Following this line of reasoning, how did Raoult KNOW that Hydroxychloriquin would work before he started treating all those people? That is what a clinical trial is for. Give a treatment to some, give a placebo to others, and make it double blind. This is how the profession developed treatments for everything we have now, ranging from blood pressure to ED. I'm all for fast tracking this, but not for short cuts. Doing a proper study tells you if "it saved my life" is simply one person or if is a pattern. If Raoult's findings are in fact true, the research will verify it.

And for the record, I'm not trusting Rachel Maddow in any way. I may have seen 5 minutes of her show in total ever, certainly much less than I've seen Hannity or Tucker Carlson. I don't like her any more than I like them. Entertainers who twist facts to support their pre-set points of view.

[BaseHitDerby]

By the way, I will never spend another cent on anything related to the NFL as long as Goodell is the commish. Eff them all.

I agree with the sentiment but I can't overcome my NFL addiction. They could ban white people from the stadium and I would show up in black face.

What's annoying to me is the lie upon a lie. Kneeling wasn't about the flag, it was support for BLM and their false notion that innocent black men are hunted by the cops.

It's hard to counter this socialist narrative. Rejection of BLM is tantamount to rejecting black people in general for a lot of people. Any criticism is met with "What, you don't think black lives matter?" All Lives Matter has been tried. Blue Lives Matter. My personal favorite... Black LIES Matter.

However, I think there's a new slogan that might just catch on -- ALL Black Lives Matter. This was painted on Hollywood BLVD the other day. It's a subtle trap for the Marxists. BLM only focuses on the deaths of unarmed black men at the hands of the cops. Last year there was a total of only 9 of those incidents. Meanwhile, 60 black people were shot during a single weekend in Chicago... many of those people innocent women and children ... no news coverage, why? Don't ALL black lives matter?

Kaepernick did say that kneeling was about the flag. But now, it's not.

Aug. 26, 2016 — Kaepernick, who at the time is entering his sixth NFL season, all with the 49ers, sits on the bench during the national anthem before San Francisco's preseason home game against Green Bay. It's not the first time he has sat during the anthem, but his action is noticed by reporters.

"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick tells NFL Media after the game. "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder."

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/new ... jxaylrcsse

[Sibelius Hindemith]

I think there has been some bad data presented that is both "pro" Hydroxychloriquin and against its use. It's too bad that we jump to our sides and argue rather than waiting for real research to start showing some findings. Giving patients a placebo in a double blind study doesn't violate the Hippocratic Oath. I'll trust the scientific process more than politician or the media (or bloggers or tweeters or ...)

Well, that's the problem Gil. You're not trusting "science" at all. You're trusting Dr. Rachel Maddow and the health institute of the Washington Post.

If you cared about the science you would trust the doctors who treated actual covid patients, Raoult in France, Stephens in New York. Raoult didn't give a separate group a placebo because he didn't want them to get sick and die. He couldn't do that as a doctor following the Hippocratic oath. I'm not sure why that's hard to understand.

When people are sick and dying, there's no time to wait for a two year study. There are plenty of people who took the drugs who say it saved their lives. Why don't you believe them? Amy Klobuchar's husband is one of them.

I see your argument, i.e., no time to do research when it's time to act. But ....

Following this line of reasoning, how did Raoult KNOW that Hydroxychloriquin would work before he started treating all those people? That is what a clinical trial is for. Give a treatment to some, give a placebo to others, and make it double blind. This is how the profession developed treatments for everything we have now, ranging from blood pressure to ED. I'm all for fast tracking this, but not for short cuts. Doing a proper study tells you if "it saved my life" is simply one person or if is a pattern. If Raoult's findings are in fact true, the research will verify it.

And for the record, I'm not trusting Rachel Maddow in any way. I may have seen 5 minutes of her show in total ever, certainly much less than I've seen Hannity or Tucker Carlson. I don't like her any more than I like them. Entertainers who twist facts to support their pre-set points of view.

Hydroxychloroquine is known to be a safe drug. It has been widely used around the world, especially in places like India where it is sold over the counter. There are elderly people who have taken it for arthritis for many, many years. It is not dangerous. It is also a cheap drug, unlike Remdesivir because it is produced outside the U.S.