Trump has been Indicted

[Donn Beach]

Reading where the Georgia prosecutor could use the states RICO laws to prosecute Trump, yikes

[Mel Bradford]

Not Ironically Carlson is gone from Fox for similar cause as Trump is running the fake legal gauntlet on the way to the Convention. Ideas that do not conform to the modern state and those of power.
In this case, the unitary state (Democrats + Republicans) and the military complex want, control, and expect interventionism anywhere, any time and for however long no matter the cost in money, lives and domestic tranquility. Any voice to the contrary by necessity must be marginalized.
Patriots are left contributing to wounded warrior charities, holding Memorial day observances, and loving a country that they (we) are not allowed to understand.

[gil]

He officially now has negative infinity chance of winning in a General election. Republicans voting for him in the Primary are cutting off their nose to spite their face and are literally handing the worst POTUS in the history of the country (Biden) four more years if Trump is the Republican nominee.

I'd call it greater than zero, but I agree that other Republicans would stand a better chance against Biden. Republicans in the midterms selected several people in primaries who were not the optimal candidates in the general elections. So the beat goes on, I suppose.

I've been reluctant to join in the opinion that a large degree of Trump's support is "personal" (i.e., he can do no wrong, by definition) versus "political" (i.e., preferring his policies over those of other candidates). But I'm being swayed by what I see. First was the outpouring of support, denying the documents charges, even before they were unsealed. Second is the lack, from what I know, of any Trump supporter meaningfully addressing important details in the indictment, such as Trump willfully keeping documents away from government officials after he was asked for them.

If Trump can do no wrong in the eyes of his supporters, explain his role in the vaccines and his base being the only segment that didn't take it. That doesn't reconcile with your assertions and you know it.

We know he's not infallible, but his policy is what I want done. Energy independence, secure borders, not pushing gays and trannies on people, mean tweets, zero wars, sign me up for all of that.

He didn't force lock downs, he left it up to the states.

And I understand he was handcuffed by fake scandals and fake impeachments throughout his first term.

I'm excited to see what he will do when he doesn't have to worry about winning another term.

Good point, bpj, thanks. I find Trump's role in the vaccine complicated. I believe he was a long-term anti-vaxxer to some extent. But as president he saw the potential danger in early 2020 and went all in on supporting vaccine development.

But, correct me if I'm wrong: I don't think he ever adopted the "public health" approach to vaccines, i.e., you are trying to reduce population-level illness. Trump recommended vaccines for individuals to protect themselves, just as he was vaccinated to protect himself.

[Donn Beach]

Not Ironically Carlson is gone from Fox for similar cause as Trump is running the fake legal gauntlet on the way to the Convention. Ideas that do not conform to the modern state and those of power.
In this case, the unitary state (Democrats + Republicans) and the military complex want, control, and expect interventionism anywhere, any time and for however long no matter the cost in money, lives and domestic tranquility. Any voice to the contrary by necessity must be marginalized.
Patriots are left contributing to wounded warrior charities, holding Memorial day observances, and loving a country that they (we) are not allowed to understand.

Carson wasn't fired because of his ideas, it was his behavior

[bpj]

Not Ironically Carlson is gone from Fox for similar cause as Trump is running the fake legal gauntlet on the way to the Convention. Ideas that do not conform to the modern state and those of power.
In this case, the unitary state (Democrats + Republicans) and the military complex want, control, and expect interventionism anywhere, any time and for however long no matter the cost in money, lives and domestic tranquility. Any voice to the contrary by necessity must be marginalized.
Patriots are left contributing to wounded warrior charities, holding Memorial day observances, and loving a country that they (we) are not allowed to understand.

Carson wasn't fired because of his ideas, it was his behavior

Yeah. Telling the truth is no longer allowed.

[Grandma Lynn]

Going back to vaccines, I do not
try and tell people what they should
do with their bodies.
Just do what you feel is right.
Me? I'm 93 yrs, and no vaccinations.
Lucky? I don't know. Just doing
what I feel is right and you can do
what you feel is right.

[Donn Beach]

So the Donald is indicted again, losing count. And there is still Georgia?

[Donn Beach]

Need to prove he knowingly lied

"The defendant's knowingly false statements were integral to his criminal plans to defeat the federal government function, obstruct the certification, and interfere with others' right to vote and have their votes counted," states one key passage.

[gil]

Need to prove he knowingly lied

"The defendant's knowingly false statements were integral to his criminal plans to defeat the federal government function, obstruct the certification, and interfere with others' right to vote and have their votes counted," states one key passage.

Yes, that is exactly what it seems to me. Mens rea = the guilty mind. If Trump believed that voting machines were rigged, that illegal ballots were brought into polling places, etc., he can mount a defense based on this. He is presumed innocent, and can say "I believed these things and was simply exercising my right to free speech." But the "I believed the voting machines wee rigged" and "illegal ballots were counted" defenses haven't been going well for Fox News and Rudy Giuliani.

At a minimum, the Justice Department needs to prove that Trump knew he lost and knew that these allegations of election fraud were not true.

[Donn Beach]

I didn't open the article, but the headline was his lawyer claiming this was criminalizing free speech. But there isn't ultimate free speech. Yelling fire in a crowded theater when there is no fire is a crime.

What else could be interesting is how to prove he knew it was false. For that one might look at the unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators. Is Rudy Giuliani flipping on him?

Giuliani famously told Arizona officials about the bid to declare Trump the winner in that state: "We don't have the evidence, but we have lots of theories." That statement is attributed to co-conspirator 1 in the indictment.