Who will win the presidential election

[HawkBowler 2.0]

Hey, unless he knows something everybody else does, its hard to disagree after the Epstein comment.

I wish he didn't say that... even if it's true.
This is like Sidney Powell bringing up Hugo Chavez. It's too much for people to digest. The fraud that's already out in the open is enough. The other side is looking for a reason to discount all the speculation about the election. They want to Pizza Gate this...

[gil]

Hey, unless he knows something everybody else does, its hard to disagree after the Epstein comment.

I wish he didn't say that... even if it's true.
This is like Sidney Powell bringing up Hugo Chavez. It's too much for people to digest. The fraud that's already out in the open is enough. The other side is looking for a reason to discount all the speculation about the election. They want to Pizza Gate this...

I agree that some of the things that Wood and Powell have put forth can be used (by people who feel Biden won fairly) to taint honest concerns about the election. It reminds me a bit of whatever democrat it was (I think it was someone newly elected in 2016) who proclaimed "impeach the M_____F__er" before Trump had even taken office. That was ridiculous and completely unreasonable, in my opinion, and I think, to use your words, it gave "the other side a reason to discount" further investigations into Trump, including what the special cancel Mueller looked into and the impeachment itself.

I'd like to see a full, conclusive investigation into "the fraud". I'd be happy if Biden announced a commission to look at the charges. If there is fraud at even a fraction of what has been alleged, it should be brought into the open for all Americans to know about. And yes, I have been reading the reports and examining many of the legal challenges.

Related: I just read that Pence is asking for the dismissal the Gohmert lawsuit. Basically saying that it is up to the House and Senate to address the concerns about electors; i.e., it is not Pence's role under the Constitution of Federal laws.

[BaseHitDerby]

Bill Binney, Constitutional Patriot
@Bill_Binney
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Dec 18, 2020
(39)With 212Million registered voters and 66.2% voting,140.344 M voted. Now if Trump got 74 M, that leaves only 66.344 M for Biden. These numbers don’t add up to what we are being told. Lies and more Lies!

https://twitter.com/Bill_Binney/status/ ... lection%2F

This is the biggest indicator of election fraud. It was impossible for Biden to receive the 80M votes the media claimed, when in fact it was actually around 66M.

William Edward Binney is a former intelligence official with the United States National Security Agency and whistleblower. He retired on October 31, 2001, after more than 30 years with the agency.

[HawkBowler 2.0]

I'd like to see a full, conclusive investigation into "the fraud". I'd be happy if Biden announced a commission to look at the charges.

That's the problem, gil... looking into fraud allegation AFTER inauguration. Oh sure, Biden will put a non-partisan commission together with the goal of discovering how the Democrats cheated. Not going to happen.

There's no longer a question of if voter fraud happen. It happened. Will the fraud be investigated and will the cheaters be held accountable?

[HawkBowler 2.0]

I'd like to see a full, conclusive investigation into "the fraud". I'd be happy if Biden announced a commission to look at the charges.

That's the problem, gil... looking into fraud allegations AFTER inauguration. Oh sure, Biden will put a non-partisan commission together for that right away. That will be done day one.

There's no longer a question of whether voter fraud happened. It happened. What we don't know is whether the fraud be investigated.

This is like a poker game between two men. All the chips are in the middle of the table. One man lays down his cards... three queens. The other man says he has three kings but doesn't show his cards and begins collecting the pot. The losing man appeals to the dealer. The dealer says sorry you're just going to have to trust him. Don't be a sorry loser now.

[gil]

I'd like to see a full, conclusive investigation into "the fraud". I'd be happy if Biden announced a commission to look at the charges.

That's the problem, gil... looking into fraud allegations AFTER inauguration. Oh sure, Biden will put a non-partisan commission together for that right away. That will be done day one.

There's no longer a question of whether voter fraud happened. It happened. What we don't know is whether the fraud be investigated.

This is like a poker game between two men. All the chips are in the middle of the table. One man lays down his cards... three queens. The other man says he has three kings but doesn't show his cards and begins collecting the pot. The losing man appeals to the dealer. The dealer says sorry you're just going to have to trust him. Don't be a sorry loser now.

I get what you are saying: Doing it sooner would be much better. I agree completely! But I don't see that Republicans, the Trump Campaign, Trump supporters, or the President himself have done anything close to what I'd like to see: laying out the allegations and looking into them systematically and completely. Why didn't the President say, let's date it November 10, 2020, maybe in an address to the American people: "We value the integrity of our elections and that is why I am appointing a blue ribbon bi-partisan commission to look into every allegation of fraud in the recent election. It doesn't matter who won; what matters is that the election was fair." Could any reasonable person disagree with that? I say no.

Sure, "fraud" is getting repeated a million times in certain media (obviously not the MSM), but where is the substance? For example, Trump's attorneys often talked about fraud but didn't allege it in their filings. Example: Guiliani in the Pennsylvania court: "this is not a fraud case". https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/sta ... 6838287362

[gil]

Bill Binney, Constitutional Patriot
@Bill_Binney
·
Dec 18, 2020
(39)With 212Million registered voters and 66.2% voting,140.344 M voted. Now if Trump got 74 M, that leaves only 66.344 M for Biden. These numbers don’t add up to what we are being told. Lies and more Lies!

https://twitter.com/Bill_Binney/status/ ... lection%2F

This is the biggest indicator of election fraud. It was impossible for Biden to receive the 80M votes the media claimed, when in fact it was actually around 66M.

William Edward Binney is a former intelligence official with the United States National Security Agency and whistleblower. He retired on October 31, 2001, after more than 30 years with the agency.

Bill Binney might be a smart guy, but he has his numbers wrong here. He is saying that 66.2% of 212 million registers voters voted. But the source he cites in his tweet (as well as other sources I checked) say that 66.2% of 239 million ELIGIBLE voters votes. That's about 160 million eligible voters. 74M for Trump and 81M for Biden is plausible.

[HawkBowler 2.0]

Sure, "fraud" is getting repeated a million times in certain media (obviously not the MSM), but where is the substance?

The substance is the ballots. Why wont the Democrats and Rino Repubs allow audits that would prove one way or the other?

Fake ballots found in Georgia. Then they try to remove and destroy them. Hmmmm... nothing suspicious there.

[HawkBowler 2.0]

The biggest myth at the moment is that there's no proof of wide spread fraud. There's all kinds of evidence so they had to drop that line. Now they say, "Oh well, it will never be proven."

So let's not look. Let's rush the weekend at Biden team in to White House. You can complain all you want but the results aren't going to change.

Expect more evidence in the coming days. It's going to be laughable for the Dems to claim that they're protecting the rights of the voters.

[BaseHitDerby]

Bill Binney, Constitutional Patriot
@Bill_Binney
·
Dec 18, 2020
(39)With 212Million registered voters and 66.2% voting,140.344 M voted. Now if Trump got 74 M, that leaves only 66.344 M for Biden. These numbers don’t add up to what we are being told. Lies and more Lies!

https://twitter.com/Bill_Binney/status/ ... lection%2F

This is the biggest indicator of election fraud. It was impossible for Biden to receive the 80M votes the media claimed, when in fact it was actually around 66M.

William Edward Binney is a former intelligence official with the United States National Security Agency and whistleblower. He retired on October 31, 2001, after more than 30 years with the agency.

Bill Binney might be a smart guy, but he has his numbers wrong here. He is saying that 66.2% of 212 million registers voters voted. But the source he cites in his tweet (as well as other sources I checked) say that 66.2% of 239 million ELIGIBLE voters votes. That's about 160 million eligible voters. 74M for Trump and 81M for Biden is plausible.

Nearly 139 million Americans voted this year, according to the United States Elections Project. This sets a new overall record, surpassing the all-time high of 132 million Americans who voted in the 2008 contest between Barack Obama and John McCain.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-v ... on-2016-11

You're telling me that 21M more people voted in 2020 than 2016 (the previous all-time high of 139M). I call bullshit especially since 2016 broke the previous record in 2008 by only 7M votes. 21 million more Americans voting this year does not seem plausible. This election was fishy as f*ck.