A question to those who voted for Trump

[Donn Beach]

interesting how MTS has morphed into the sanest one on the right these days

on Trump's immigration policies

“And it needs to be a smarter plan than just rounding up every single person and deporting them just like that,” she continued. “I’m going to get pushback for that, but I’m just living in reality from here on out. If anyone’s mad at me for saying the truth, then I’m sorry.”

[bpj]

interesting how MTS has morphed into the sanest one on the right these days

on Trump's immigration policies

“And it needs to be a smarter plan than just rounding up every single person and deporting them just like that,” she continued. “I’m going to get pushback for that, but I’m just living in reality from here on out. If anyone’s mad at me for saying the truth, then I’m sorry.”

Rounding up every illegal sounds like the perfect plan.

What exactly sounds insane about it?

[XpertDBA]

Is there really ANY country that isn't like that? No matter where you live, somebody's ruling you. I'd imagine that even North Sentinel Island has a centralized government. Maybe Vogie should go ashore and ask the good folks there if their prime minister is an oppressive chap.

There really isn't anywhere to go. It's a one world system. You could see it during Covid. Every single "country" locked their people down. Not one single country said, we're going to put freedom first.

That being said, there is some difference between the freedom you will get depending on where you live. Even in USA, Texas and Montana are more free than California and New York.

With regards to other "countries". In general, where there's less technology, there's more freedom. That's one factor.

I'm no expert on comparing different countries and what freedoms they afford. I think in North and Central America it goes North to South. Canada is the most tyrannical, then USA, then Mexico, and then Central America is the most free.

Additionally, there are what's known as parallel societies. Intentional communities. You can figure out ways to live more free without switching plantations.

Seems like you're completely free already to me. You get to spout your word diarrhea here every single day, without facing any consequences at all. How much more freedom do you need? What freedoms do you believe you don't have here in the U.S. that you wish you had? (Please respond in a normal, controlled, short, non-verbose way.....I know that's a lot to ask, but give it a try)

[DanielVogelbach]

Seems like you're completely free already to me. You get to spout your word diarrhea here every single day, without facing any consequences at all. How much more freedom do you need? What freedoms do you believe you don't have here in the U.S. that you wish you had? (Please respond in a normal, controlled, short, non-verbose way.....I know that's a lot to ask, but give it a try)

This is like asking a slave on a plantation what freedoms they don't have.

How about we start with fiat currency, taxation, and legal tender laws?

How about gun control, border control, and K-12 indoctrination camps for children?

I can go on, but you want concise.

[XpertDBA]

Seems like you're completely free already to me. You get to spout your word diarrhea here every single day, without facing any consequences at all. How much more freedom do you need? What freedoms do you believe you don't have here in the U.S. that you wish you had? (Please respond in a normal, controlled, short, non-verbose way.....I know that's a lot to ask, but give it a try)

This is like asking a slave on a plantation what freedoms they don't have.

How about we start with fiat currency, taxation, and legal tender laws?

How about gun control, border control, and K-12 indoctrination camps for children?

I can go on, but you want concise.

With the first three, those are interesting points — but all three of those things are trade-offs that come with having a functioning, stable society. Fiat currency enables economic flexibility; taxation funds the infrastructure, courts, and defense that make freedom possible; and legal tender laws ensure a consistent medium of exchange so people can actually trade efficiently. You might not like those systems, but they’re not proof we aren’t free — they’re the price of living in a complex, organized country instead of a barter economy.

For the others, those are policy choices, not proof we aren’t free. Democracies trade some individual autonomy for public order and services: gun rules are contested Second Amendment and public-safety tradeoffs, border rules reflect sovereign states deciding who may enter, and disputes over K–12 content are political fights about curriculum — not literal “indoctrination camps.” If you want change, the solution is political (vote, lobby, run for office), not anger. I doubt you'd ever run for office though, as you'd rather bitch and complain on a sports forum then actually affect any kind of positive change.

[DanielVogelbach]

but all three of those things are trade-offs that come with having a functioning, stable society.

Disagree 100

[DanielVogelbach]

There was more freedom by orders of magnitude under British colonial rule.

[XpertDBA]

There was more freedom by orders of magnitude under British colonial rule.

Yes, you're sooooooo oppressed, like a slave on a plantation. Silly me. (smh.....what a buffoon)

[DanielVogelbach]

You just need MONEY to get away from BARTER.

REAL MONEY.

GOLD

SILVER

BITCOIN

NOT FIAT

[DanielVogelbach]

LEGAL TENDER FORCES YOU TO USE FED NOTES THAT YOUR SLAVEMASTERS PRINT AND GIVE TO THEIR FRIENDS