Democrats are controlling hurricanes to hurt MAGA and impact the election

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Re: Democrats are controlling hurricanes to hurt MAGA and impact the election

Post by Donn Beach » Mon Oct 07, 2024 4:37 am

Love me some Marjorie Taylor Greene conspiracy theories


Seems they tried cloud seeding once, this is Quora stuff but seemed topical
They first did it with dry ice in 1947, Project Cirrus!

During the single performed run, pilots flew over a hurricane that was headed out to sea, and dropped a 180-pound payload of crushed dry ice into the storm in an attempt to alter the temperatures of the hurricane clouds, which would in theory slow down the storm’s wind speed. Initially, the pilots said they did notice some change, but it was not actually clear if the changes they observed were caused by the ice.

After the hurricane had been seeded, it took a directional turn, making landfall in Savannah, Georgia, and doing extensive damage. After reading about the seeding experiment in the newspaper, some Savannah residents threatened to sue the government. The legal action came to nothing, but the incident cast a pall on the idea of trying to alter hurricanes.
If you did try it I think the apparatus would have to be huge, and even if you did impact it i don't think you could direct it, at least that's what this guy seems to be saying and I would agree
You're talking about changing the path of a weather system that (fairly typically, there is great variation) covers about 37000 square miles (a bit larger than Indiana) and masses a few billion tons, but offers no solid surfaces to push on.

It's a shot in the dark because, again, we have no idea how to do it, but, I'm guessing that the energy budget per day to pull it off would look something like the annual energy production of the United States. It just isn't going to happen.

This doesn't even think about the unintended consequences of a gigantic intervention in a system as chaotic as weather and climate. Even if in some far future time the basic technological hurdles were overcome, one would hope that rationality would prevail, and nobody would start mucking about with the messy system that keeps life going on Earth.

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Re: Democrats are controlling hurricanes to hurt MAGA and impact the election

Post by bpj » Mon Oct 07, 2024 6:28 pm

Cloud seeding is happening, it's not some conspiracy theory.
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I wouldn't imagine they steer a hurricane. But if they know which way the wind blows, I don't see why they'd have to.

They know how to make clouds. I'm not going to assume I know everything else they're capable of with billions at their disposal.

And as Donn points out, they were already experimenting on hurricanes back in the 1940's. Would take quite the mental gymnastics to think they haven't figured it out since.
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Re: Democrats are controlling hurricanes to hurt MAGA and impact the election

Post by Donn Beach » Mon Oct 07, 2024 6:46 pm

The easy part is the conspiracy, the hard part is coming up with a way it would actually work in terms of nobody knowing about it. So the Biden administration has been secretly working on it for the last 70 years? Or actually science has been working on it for 70 years and keeping it entirely secret. How could that happen, how many administrations would that be, including Trump's. And why would they keep it secret in the first place, it's science, it's progress. The cloud seeding I brought up wasn't a secret. Not only would it have been impossible to keep it a secret there was no reason to in the first place. Jeremy Clarkston reported on a cloud making machine, so in other words, it wasn't a secret

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Re: Democrats are controlling hurricanes to hurt MAGA and impact the election

Post by bpj » Mon Oct 07, 2024 7:26 pm

Donn Beach wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2024 6:46 pm
The easy part is the conspiracy, the hard part is coming up with a way it would actually work in terms of nobody knowing about it. So the Biden administration has been secretly working on it for the last 70 years? Or actually science has been working on it for 70 years and keeping it entirely secret. How could that happen, how many administrations would that be, including Trump's. And why would they keep it secret in the first place, it's science, it's progress. The cloud seeding I brought up wasn't a secret. Not only would it have been impossible to keep it a secret there was no reason to in the first place. Jeremy Clarkston reported on a cloud making machine, so in other words, it wasn't a secret
It wasn't public knowledge, until it was reported on. And still most have no idea.

That doesn't mean it didn't exist before the report.

It's not even secret, I posted that there are even patents. They're obviously working on this stuff. It's just that some of you need the news report before you'll believe it exists.

I think there's a lot of other things that we don't know about also.

"Wouldn't put it past them." <-- I think that's where we're at.

And, no, I don't think anyone thinks the president of the US is the wizard behind the curtain.

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Re: Democrats are controlling hurricanes to hurt MAGA and impact the election

Post by bpj » Mon Oct 07, 2024 7:51 pm

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Re: Democrats are controlling hurricanes to hurt MAGA and impact the election

Post by Donn Beach » Mon Oct 07, 2024 8:07 pm

So it's not being kept a secret, it just hasn't been reported yet. Seems to me controlling hurricanes is a pretty big event to get overlooked like that. The people involved would want it reported, press releases, public relations. Science works by getting funding from someplace. They generally like to tout advancements to keep the money coming in.

How about all the various people that have been associated with it over the years, it wasn't a secret then but it is now. If Biden was using it to try to swing the election why don't any of them speak up? They are all such hard core Biden supporters to the extent that they all will automatically become a conspiracy to now keep it a secret?. Heck, if Biden has that kind of devotion why did he have to drop out of the race

And if this science does exist, scientists and organizations working on it over the years, but not keeping it a secret. Now that it's become a news item why can't anybody find any information about it? It's not a secret but then it becomes a secret when it's newsworthy. It would make a reporters career to come up with something like that, it hasn't been kept a secret but none of them can find it. Or have the reporters all jumped into the conspiracy as well.

Sorry but for me it doesn't make sense any way I look at it

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Re: Democrats are controlling hurricanes to hurt MAGA and impact the election

Post by bpj » Mon Oct 07, 2024 8:20 pm

Donn Beach wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2024 8:07 pm
So it's not being kept a secret, it just hasn't been reported yet. Seems to me controlling hurricanes is a pretty big event to get overlooked like that. The people involved would want it reported, press releases, public relations. Science works by getting funding from someplace. They generally like to tout advancements to keep the money coming in.

How about all the various people that have been associated with it over the years. If it wasn't a secret then but it is now. If Biden was using it to try to swing the election why don't any of them speak up? They are all Biden supporters to the extent that they will automatically become a large conspiracy to now keep it a secret?

And if this science does exist, scientists and organizations working on it over the years, but not keeping it a secret. Now that it's become a news item why can't anybody find any information about it? It's not a secret but then it becomes a secret when it's newsworthy. It would make a reporters career to come up with something like that, it hasn't been kept a secret but none of them can find it. Or have the reporters all jumped into the conspiracy as well

Sorry but for me it doesn't make sense any way I look at it
What could be gained by going public with the ability to start a hurricane? Is there a windfall to be had, so to speak? No.

There aren't many "positive" applications.

I'm not acting like Biden has anything to do with anything, including tying his own shoes. And I have no idea if "they" can manipulate the weather to that extent. Nor can I rule it out.

But do I think the people who are really in charge have the ability to do some unheard of things for their own benefit? Absolutely I do.

Nothing about the Maui fire seemed right either, for example.

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Re: Democrats are controlling hurricanes to hurt MAGA and impact the election

Post by Donn Beach » Mon Oct 07, 2024 8:43 pm

Nothing to be gained? I just pointed out what there was to be gained, it would be a remarkable scientific achievement. Folks and the organizations they work for tend to like to get credit for what they achieve. What was gained by getting credit for landing a man on the moon? But I'm assuming you don't believe that either. That's another conspiracy that managed to keep everyone involved from speaking a word about it.

The rest is basically laziness. Yeah, you believe people in power can pull of things like this but you don't want to bother coming up with a sensible way they do it. It's like writing a screenplay. Come up with one where the president manipulates the weather to rig an election. It could be a great movie but nobody bothers to come up with a screenplay. How exactly does he do it? Even an outrageous movie. How exactly does the plot work?

The trump shooting is another. Everyone talking about it smelling like a conspiracy. Again what a great movie. But how do you get those secret service agents all to want to kill him, agree to try to do it and then keep it a secret? Fill in the blanks of the plot. That's the first thing Iook for when a conspiracy comes along

What about the Maui fires?

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Re: Democrats are controlling hurricanes to hurt MAGA and impact the election

Post by bpj » Mon Oct 07, 2024 11:32 pm

Who was it that brought up false equivalencies...?

Moon landing and Trump assassinations now?

I already posted more than enough to back up why I believe what I do.

They're capable of much more than any of us know, and I have no problems saying it.

It's not "conspiracy theory" to believe that, regardless of what you unimaginative libs think.

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Re: Democrats are controlling hurricanes to hurt MAGA and impact the election

Post by gil » Tue Oct 08, 2024 12:43 am

I agree that modifying weather has been around for a long time. Cloud seeding was being tried when I was growing up in the Midwest. I'd say the "successes" were modest. If "they" are so capable, we would have already seen the elimination of droughts, heatwaves, cold snaps, etc. Wouldn't we? Why save all this awesome power for steering hurricanes to harm republicans? (And as I posted before, steering hurricanes would be an incredible physical accomplishment.)

Sometimes, being "unimaginative" is correct.

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