Zelenskyy at the Oval Office

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Re: Zelenskyy at the Oval Office

Post by Seattle or Bust » Sun Mar 02, 2025 4:51 pm

Mel Bradford wrote:
Sun Mar 02, 2025 2:55 pm
Sachs has exposed western hegemony like few around. He's been at it for over 40 years. He knows all the players, many personally.

Most profound and to your point Sea-or-bust is the U.S. unwillingness and veritable inability to negotiate. Since the war broke out no one in US state department (let alone the EU) has even attempted to 'broker of arbitrate a peace deal'. It's part of our non-strategy strategy. We create boogie men, deploy resources, change regimes at will and let the media sell it to the American people. This is foreign policy since Reagan. And since the wall came down the systematic encroachment on Russia. As for Putin....he's watched this action the better part of his adult life. A new trust is desperately needed. Russia is part of Europe.

Thanks for posting bpj
That has been the traditional US policy against dictatorship. If Putin wants to come to the table Russia will have to change the way they do things. But that won't happen with him at the helm.

I'm fully aware that some of what we hear about these countries/leaders is likely propaganda... and the majority of it likely isn't. But which side are you on?

I thought conservatives were patriots who fervently defend democracy and the American way? Bending the knee to fascist, mother Russia sure seems to fly in the face of that notion. But like I said, I'm not surprised. What used to be the party of patriotism and 'Merica, has been replaced with a bunch of cult members wanting to make Donald Trump King, celebrating when he kisses Putin and North Korea's asses.

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Re: Zelenskyy at the Oval Office

Post by gil » Sun Mar 02, 2025 6:53 pm

I find it kind of ironic that conservatives are using Prof. Jeffrey Sachs as a reliable source for foreign affairs. He was the director of the Earth Institute at Columbia University from 2002-2016, becoming a leading academic voice (both in the US and internationally) warning about the dangers of a changing climate and the role of humans in creating the problems. Sachs is now President of the United Nations Sustainable Development Solutions Network and an advisor to the UN Secretary General on sustainable development.

Sounding he alarm about climate change and embracing sustainable development and the UN might be consistent with Reagan-era Republicanism, but I don't see many contemporary conservatives embracing these ideas.

But then, politics makes strange bedfellows, doesn't it?

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Re: Zelenskyy at the Oval Office

Post by Mel Bradford » Sun Mar 02, 2025 7:33 pm

Indeed. Im aware of Sachs "other" views/ projects. And I don't even care about his motivations. He nails an important piece of the Deep State for all to see. And not ironically, a yuge challenge for Trump because the warfare state is not going to go quietly.

Heck, Robert Kennedy is a pro-abort.....but he grasps the ill health of chemical corporate food production. The leading voice of "Germany first"
(Alternative for Germany the AFD is Alice Weidel..... a lesbian. The list goes on. Mutual interest.

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Re: Zelenskyy at the Oval Office

Post by bpj » Sun Mar 02, 2025 7:46 pm

gil wrote:
Sun Mar 02, 2025 6:53 pm
I find it kind of ironic that conservatives are using Prof. Jeffrey Sachs as a reliable source for foreign affairs. He was the director of the Earth Institute at Columbia University from 2002-2016, becoming a leading academic voice (both in the US and internationally) warning about the dangers of a changing climate and the role of humans in creating the problems. Sachs is now President of the United Nations Sustainable Development Solutions Network and an advisor to the UN Secretary General on sustainable development.

Sounding he alarm about climate change and embracing sustainable development and the UN might be consistent with Reagan-era Republicanism, but I don't see many contemporary conservatives embracing these ideas.

But then, politics makes strange bedfellows, doesn't it?
What did he say in the video I posted that you disagree with?

Musk had some pretty bad climate opinions also. Should we not trust his ability to slash spending because of it?

It's funny how libs seem to think you have to agree with everything anyone on their side thinks. That's how you get down the "men are women" lane.

If you disagree with something in the video, by all means, enlighten me.

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Re: Zelenskyy at the Oval Office

Post by Seattle or Bust » Sun Mar 02, 2025 8:20 pm

Mel Bradford wrote:
Sun Mar 02, 2025 7:33 pm
Indeed. Im aware of Sachs "other" views/ projects. And I don't even care about his motivations. He nails an important piece of the Deep State for all to see. And not ironically, a yuge challenge for Trump because the warfare state is not going to go quietly.

Heck, Robert Kennedy is a pro-abort.....but he grasps the ill health of chemical corporate food production. The leading voice of "Germany first"
(Alternative for Germany the AFD is Alice Weidel..... a lesbian. The list goes on. Mutual interest.
Trump is the deep state man.

That's why the shit with Zelensky was pathetic, fake posturing. He is fully bought and paid for.

I mean come on... all you have to do is pull up the 40 sound bites of JD Vance calling Trump Hitler and cancer to understand that all these people are bought do not give a fuck about you.

I vote for Democrats knowing this but realizing they're more likely to not let things devolve into total chaos and stand up at least a little bit to billionaires in protection of the middle class. This country refuses to put forward candidates who will actually make change and Conservatives are dumb enough to have convinced themselves that the orange fool cares one bit for them.

As I said before the election, all of the shit Trump does is a distraction to create culture wars while he makes himself and those around him rich as fuck at the expense of the American people.

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Re: Zelenskyy at the Oval Office

Post by bpj » Sun Mar 02, 2025 8:29 pm

Not going to find many Trump supporters that think he's doing anything but kicking ass at the moment.

Your misery is noted. Lol.

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Re: Zelenskyy at the Oval Office

Post by Seattle or Bust » Sun Mar 02, 2025 9:28 pm

bpj wrote:
Sun Mar 02, 2025 8:29 pm
Not going to find many Trump supporters that think he's doing anything but kicking ass at the moment.

Your misery is noted. Lol.
I'm reading posts on this board that are already hinting at buyer's remorse.

You're just insane and the small bubble you keep yourself will always convince you that you're right.

He's already lost 6 points in polling in the first month and that was before whatever the fuck that was with Zelenskyy. As I've always said... I'll be fine. I feel bad for the morons in poor conservative states who voted for cheaper eggs while selling themselves down the river to a conman who won't even fulfill that promise.

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Re: Zelenskyy at the Oval Office

Post by bpj » Sun Mar 02, 2025 11:31 pm

Seattle or Bust wrote:
Sun Mar 02, 2025 9:28 pm
bpj wrote:
Sun Mar 02, 2025 8:29 pm
Not going to find many Trump supporters that think he's doing anything but kicking ass at the moment.

Your misery is noted. Lol.
I'm reading posts on this board that are already hinting at buyer's remorse.

You're just insane and the small bubble you keep yourself will always convince you that you're right.

He's already lost 6 points in polling in the first month and that was before whatever the fuck that was with Zelenskyy. As I've always said... I'll be fine. I feel bad for the morons in poor conservative states who voted for cheaper eggs while selling themselves down the river to a conman who won't even fulfill that promise.
"According to my CNN poll, Trumps favorability has dropped 6 points!!!"

Lol.

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Re: Zelenskyy at the Oval Office

Post by ddraig » Mon Mar 03, 2025 12:10 am

Those suffering from TDS should take the log out of their eye before they attempt to convince the rest of us to remove the splinter in our own. For years, the TDS individuals have told us we are "deplorables," "clingers," and many other names showing us that they really do hate us. And for the rest of us, we are a "wait-and-see" bunch of pragmatists who don't hold any animosity towards those suffering from TDS. Only amusement and disbelief. We don't hate you, just think things through for a moment before you let your emotions kick in.

I read an article this AM on how empathy has replaced politics in our Country. Empathy is no way to run a government and when some guy, whom we have been supporting for years, comes to us and DEMANDS we give him more money, why should we? Just because the previous administration gave him everything he wanted, he expects us to continue this policy? Why? Follow the money. The banks and the munition manufacturers have the cost of thousands of lives. Biden could have stopped the whole thing if his handlers would have let him, but now here we are with Trump trying to clean things up. And HALF this country thinks we should hand over the keys to our tax dollars because they feel sorry for the guy who cancelled his country's elections last year and is now a dictator. All because he is singing the "Woe-Is-Me" song? I'm with Trump. Go panhandle someplace else!

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Re: Zelenskyy at the Oval Office

Post by D-train » Mon Mar 03, 2025 2:16 am

gil wrote:
Sun Mar 02, 2025 6:53 pm
I find it kind of ironic that conservatives are using Prof. Jeffrey Sachs as a reliable source for foreign affairs. He was the director of the Earth Institute at Columbia University from 2002-2016, becoming a leading academic voice (both in the US and internationally) warning about the dangers of a changing climate and the role of humans in creating the problems. Sachs is now President of the United Nations Sustainable Development Solutions Network and an advisor to the UN Secretary General on sustainable development.

Sounding he alarm about climate change and embracing sustainable development and the UN might be consistent with Reagan-era Republicanism, but I don't see many contemporary conservatives embracing these ideas.

But then, politics makes strange bedfellows, doesn't it?
The irony is that you think it should be impossible to agree with someone on one topic while disagreeing with them on another. That is truly the problem with the world when you think about it.
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