OT- Riots, who is responsible?

[Double Mocha Man]

Moe... any insight as to why African-Americans (Negroes) are more involved in violent crime?

[Sibelius Hindemith]

Someone earlier posted a statistic for the number of unarmed that were shot. I have no idea if the stats were accurate, or where they came from, but seems it was something like 19 white and 9 black. Those are numbers to start with. I understand what you are saying, but to try and say things like blacks and hispanics are more likely to be involved in gang activity or what ever just simply doesn't sit right. Someone would have to actually do a study, but we do know population percentages. I just googled and an article in 2016 says that blacks make up 12.7% of the population and whites 72.4%.

White non-hispanic is around 60%
White (including Hispanic or Latino) around 76%
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/ ... /PST045219

Percentage of murders and nonnegligent manslaughters committed by race:
white (including Hispanic or Latino) 44%, black 53%
https://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/uc ... &rdoData=c
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/20 ... s/table-43

Regarding gang activity(since you brought it up), that blacks and hispanics are more likely to be in gangs is well documented over the years:
http://people.missouristate.edu/Michael ... sition.htm
https://www.nationalgangcenter.gov/surv ... mographics
https://ojjdp.ojp.gov/sites/g/files/xyc ... rv_6c.html
https://chronicleofsocialchange.org/ana ... -race/8400
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[Sibelius Hindemith]

Moe... any insight as to why African-Americans (Negroes) are more involved in violent crime?

That is something that could be debated endlessly and serves no purpose to the topic we were discussing, which is the question of whether there is a difference in the way police in this country deal with black suspects vs white suspects, and the statistics indicate that there isn't in the case of police killings of either armed or unarmed citizens.

[Sibelius Hindemith]

If you just use those numbers it doesn't make much sense to say it is equal. Kind of hard to look at the raw data and say that people are crazy to believe that racial profiling happens. If whites have six times the population, why only double the amount of unarmed shot by police? I don't know that those that believe there is no bias would like the answer to that. Understand this comes from someone that was raised in a family surrounded by law enforcement. My grandfather and both of his sons, hell, my Grandfather was the County Sheriff. They were great men...not all are.

Profiling may have been a part of law enforcement to varying degrees depending on the region, but why it occurs is not as simple as racial discrimination based on personal bias. The cops patrol more in areas where more crimes occur, and those correlate strongly with areas with higher black populations as well as greater poverty. How the police approach and handle individuals that they encounter has more to do with how those individuals act (i.e. degree of cooperation vs resistance and threatening behavior) than what race they belong to, and again there is a correlation between likelihood to cooperate and race which is driven largely by perceptions created by the media which undermine trust between black citizens and white cops. This is why it is so important that the lies perpetuated by media and various organizations like BLM be challenged.

With regard to the bolded part from your quote, I was just watching the news and there is a march getting underway near downtown Seattle this evening that they were reporting from, and at the head of the group of "demonstrators" was some moron holding a sign that said "Police are state sanctioned murderers". That is the kind of imbecility that we are dealing with on a grand scale in this country now. That is the true evil that will bring this nation down.

[Michael K.]

Michael Bumpus was not in a gang. He said today he has been pulled over close to 40 times. He is in his mid 30s! That is mind blowing.

[Sibelius Hindemith]

Nick Rolovich, the new Washington State football coach may have said it best... it's not blacks vs. whites. It's good vs. evil. And the officer who killed George Floyd was evil. He went on to talk about his locker rooms where everybody is on the same side and there is a strong affinity between players in a common battle.

He's right, it's good vs evil, but he is wrong about what the real evil is. The cop is just one man and we still don't know that whole story of why he did what he did and if he intended to kill the man, just that what he did was despicable and unnecessary. The real evils that our nation must confront are the lies and people perpetuating them about the police, and the individuals and groups that are responsible for all the destruction - assaults, looting, vandalism, arson, etc. These people may deserve to live in a lawless society, but the rest of us don't.

[Sibelius Hindemith]

Michael Bumpus was not in a gang. He said today he has been pulled over close to 40 times. He is in his mid 30s! That is mind blowing.

Not really, if he was not obeying traffic codes and was in a high-crime area. It always perplexes me when I hear these stories because do people really think that the cops are completely focused on determining the race of every driver out there rather than actually looking for violations of traffic codes and laws? It's silly.

[Michael K.]

Michael Bumpus was not in a gang. He said today he has been pulled over close to 40 times. He is in his mid 30s! That is mind blowing.

Not really, if he was not obeying traffic codes and was in a high-crime area. It always perplexes me when I hear these stories because do people really think that the cops are completely focused on determining the race of every driver out there rather than actually looking for violations of traffic codes and laws? It's silly.

Dude....I’m 47 years old. As a young man I sped, EVERYWHERE. I’ve probably been pulled over six or seven times!

[ddraig]

If Jesse Watters asked a looter on the street (or in Nordstroms) who is George Floyd the 100% answer would be, "George who?"

One of the Beatles???

[Sibelius Hindemith]

Michael Bumpus was not in a gang. He said today he has been pulled over close to 40 times. He is in his mid 30s! That is mind blowing.

Not really, if he was not obeying traffic codes and was in a high-crime area. It always perplexes me when I hear these stories because do people really think that the cops are completely focused on determining the race of every driver out there rather than actually looking for violations of traffic codes and laws? It's silly.

Dude....I’m 47 years old. As a young man I sped, EVERYWHERE. I’ve probably been pulled over six or seven times!

So the cops have x-ray vision and can see your race through your car-seat from behind or at a distance or do they pull alongside you first to check and then decide whether to pull you over? It just doesn't seem all that plausible to me. Yes, many police forces have "targeted" areas with higher black populations and there were (and perhaps still are) cops that, when they can determine the race of the driver and have any reason to pull them over, are more likely to pull black drivers over. I think the numbers of those cops has decreased over the years to a level that is insignificant.

By the way, did Bumpus mention where he was driving, what type of vehicle he was driving, the total fines he had to pay, what the supposed offenses were? Did he dispute any of them. I wouldn't be surprised if he was exaggerating the number as well.