Racism aka Making Mountains Out Of Molehills

[Sibelius Hindemith]

In my opinion the policeman murdered George Floyd with intent.

Place your knees on the floor. Now place a hand in your pocket and lean on that knee. 30% more pressure.

Dont believe? Get out your scale and get on your knees.

So it's a given that pinning someone in that manner will result in death? Wasn't Floyd already cuffed when he was resisting being put in the vehicle and perhaps trying to escape? These things will all be considered as evidence for why Chauvin did what he did, even if it was excessive and done with the intent to cause suffering. Also, the original autopsy found methanphetamine and fentanyl in his system. That will be used by the defense as well.

[Michael K.]

You watched that video and thought...."Yeah, that is an appropriate amount of force to be used on a suspect who is face down and handcuffed."?

Why don't you go lie down on your face right now...put your hands behind your back, and without using your arms, do something that would be deemed a threat to four or more police officers.

[Sibelius Hindemith]

You watched that video and thought...."Yeah, that is an appropriate amount of force to be used on a suspect who is face down and handcuffed."?

Nope, i was posing questions that will come up in the trial. You have heard of this thing called "due process", right?

[DavidGee24]

So it's a given that pinning someone in that manner will result in death? Wasn't Floyd already cuffed when he was resisting being put in the vehicle and perhaps trying to escape? These things will all be considered as evidence for why Chauvin did what he did, even if it was excessive and done with the intent to cause suffering. Also, the original autopsy found methanphetamine and fentanyl in his system. That will be used by the defense as well.

It is a given that if you do that and put some force behind it you're going to hurt someone really bad, and if you do it for several minutes, especially after someone has stopped moving, there's a pretty good chance you're going to cut off their oxygen and/or do some serious bone/cartilage/tissue damage. Did Chauvin know Floyd had drugs in his system? Of course not, but he's a trained police officer and I'm pretty sure the department doesn't train their officers to do what he did. Whether there was malice in his heart or not, whether the color of the man's skin influenced him or not, he used badly excessive force and someone ended up dead. There can be no doubt that what he did was at least a major contributor to Floyd's death.

As for the other factors that led to Floyd's death, it is fair to bring that up and it will be presented to a jury, due process and all. In spite of the video evidence, the other factors unfortunately do give Chauvin a shot at acquittal, even if slight. Stranger things have happened in a court of law. I hate to think of what might happen if he gets acquitted.

What's really going to be tricky is getting an impartial jury. How are they going to find twelve people who can push away what will be in the back of their minds what will happen if the verdict comes back as "not guilty"?

[Michael K.]

You watched that video and thought...."Yeah, that is an appropriate amount of force to be used on a suspect who is face down and handcuffed."?

Nope, i was posing questions that will come up in the trial. You have heard of this thing called "due process", right?

So, you came in here to talk to us about due process? You thought that a good thing to add to this would be the Devil's Advocate to defend why a man did the things that cop did?

[Sibelius Hindemith]

I'm not defending him, Michael. I'm trying to find out what others think about the chance that a murder charge might not meet the burden of proof. Since 3rd degree murder does not involve intent to kill i think there is a good chance Chauvin will be convicted, but if he was using a technique that he was trained to use in that type of situation (taken way too far albeit) and a case can be made that the drugs Floyd took contributed to his death, that could create enough doubt in the jurors minds, i would think.

[Sibelius Hindemith]

It is a given that if you do that and put some force behind it you're going to hurt someone really bad, and if you do it for several minutes, especially after someone has stopped moving, there's a pretty good chance you're going to cut off their oxygen and/or do some serious bone/cartilage/tissue damage. Did Chauvin know Floyd had drugs in his system? Of course not, but he's a trained police officer and I'm pretty sure the department doesn't train their officers to do what he did. Whether there was malice in his heart or not, whether the color of the man's skin influenced him or not, he used badly excessive force and someone ended up dead. There can be no doubt that what he did was at least a major contributor to Floyd's death.

If that's true then the other 3 cops will almost certainly face charges.

Thanks for your input. I agree for the most part.

[D-train]

Saying Floyd died due to underlying medical conditions is like saying a guy that was hit by a bus died of the Virus because he tested positive of Covid during the autopsy.

[Michael K.]

I'm not defending him, Michael. I'm trying to find out what others think about the chance that a murder charge might not meet the burden of proof. Since 3rd degree murder does not involve intent to kill i think there is a good chance Chauvin will be convicted, but if he was using a technique that he was trained to use in that type of situation (taken way too far albeit) and a case can be made that the drugs Floyd took contributed to his death, that could create enough doubt in the jurors minds, i would think.

If I understand, the reason they are using third degree and not second is that second degree would require them to prove he intended to kill the man. Third degree basically means he was abusive and it resulted in a death, whether he intended to or not. That is why I think he will be found guilty. I don't believe that he tried to kill the man. But, I do think he went way too far, and he did that because he is a POS that should have never had a badge. That man was face down and in cuffs. He was not a threat. If cops are trained to do that then why don't they all do that?

[D-train]

Gotta love the woke celebrities......

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