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Re: Trump Administration

Post by auroraave » Mon Nov 18, 2024 4:59 pm

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Lol, dumbass.
Dude, with all due respect, the problem here is you. You are willfully engaging with someone who has proven over and over and over again to be completely unhinged and antagonistic. You DO understand they NEED your responses, right? SO, when you are responding to their nonsense, just remember who you are responding to:

Someone who expects YOU to pay their bills... like children do.
Someone who came unglued at someone selling merch on the side of the road. Psycho!
Someone who supports open borders, massive drug trafficking, human trafficking and enslavement. Gross!
Someone who continues to falsely regurgitate Trump narratives that have been debunked a thousand times. Imagine the ignorance!
Someone who wants war - where OTHERS go to die so Dick Cheney can make money. Just... wow.
Someone who actually thinks Kamala is a qualified candidate - despite four years of doing absolutely nothing and the total inability to string a coherent sentence together. :lol: C'mon, man!

Now go back and re-read that and then kindly explain to me why you would waste your time arguing with THAT? I'll give you this, it is amusing to read the posts of someone who is arrogantly and smugly consistently incorrect, but ultimately, it's just embarrassing. She/her/hers started a thread about the 2020 election - which matters not in 2024 - she's looking to antagonize - and you are feeding their desperate need for attention by responding. Be better than that!

The country has spoken - Blacks, Whites, Latinos, Asians - and overwhelmingly rejected their nonsense. Let 'em go find a new sandbox to bury their head and ridiculous ideologies in - while the adults have actual discussions. Also, your post was not wrong.

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Re: Trump Administration

Post by Donn Beach » Mon Nov 18, 2024 5:04 pm

The issue isn't with deep state or the rest of the country, the issue is trump getting his cabinet picks past his own party. Like Jay said, it's popcorn time far as I'm concerned

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Re: Trump Administration

Post by gil » Mon Nov 18, 2024 8:43 pm

Presidents have a right to nominate these key executive branch people, and if these nominees were NOT aligned politically with the president's campaign promises, I think a lot of supporters would be (rightfully) upset.

The concerns I have about Gabbard, Gaetz, and Hegseth have to do with (1) their seeming limited expertise in the areas of responsibility they have been nominated for, and (2) their limited experience running large organizations. I don't believe that simply having opinions that square with the president-elect's makes a person a good choice.

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Re: Trump Administration

Post by auroraave » Tue Nov 19, 2024 4:01 pm

gil wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2024 8:43 pm
Presidents have a right to nominate these key executive branch people, and if these nominees were NOT aligned politically with the president's campaign promises, I think a lot of supporters would be (rightfully) upset.

The concerns I have about Gabbard, Gaetz, and Hegseth have to do with (1) their seeming limited expertise in the areas of responsibility they have been nominated for, and (2) their limited experience running large organizations. I don't believe that simply having opinions that square with the president-elect's makes a person a good choice.
Gil, the problem with your post is you are going to say this about anyone Trump appoints - it's simply your baseline position. SO far, the appointees all seem to be people who have served and succeeded their entire adult life. What you are failing to grasp is this is the opposite of the Biden admin - NONE of these appointees are 'woke' or DEI hires - which was biden's failure. Jesus, his VP was the ultimate DEI hire. Remember Pete Buttegieg? The transpo secretary? Where was he during the largest shipping crisis in history? Out on maternity leave for 6 months. Remember 'non binary' DEi hire Sam Brinton who was fired for stealing luggage at multiple airports? How about Rachel Levine, DEI trans hire - who is completely out of shape - for Health Service. Really? All DEI hires - all disasters.

Trump is putting candidates who are the opposite - skilled, experienced, NOT WOKE and NOT DEI hires - people have had enough of that shit. Skills, experience, non-swamp creatures, and hilariously - mostly former democrats.

You know Hegseth is a decorated combat vet - right? YOu know he graduated from Princeton and received a Master's in Public Policy from Harvard. Explain how he's not qualified (this is where you make something trivial up because you must defend the Dems at any cost). Want to know how to confirm he's qualified? GO on CNN and MSNBC and watch them meltdown. The opposite of what those clowns say is generally the truth

You acknowledged Kamala's policies are failures - yet you voted for her. You said you liked Biden's economic policy, yet we're in the middle of the worst inflation in decades - while food, gas, housing are at all time highs. Your baseline, despite what you claim, is blind allegiance to the Dems and anti-Trump. It. Just. Is.

Trump aligned himself with out of the box thinkers, loyalists (why would you NOT hire loyalists?) who are moderates, and people who will get shit done. I don't know about Gaets or Rubio, not a fan myself, but they won't be DEI hires, woke, or pushing shit like 'russian collusion' - which is ultimately what the people want. You seem to prefer inflation, illegal migration, failed DEI hires and war mongering.

I have no idea how these nominees are going to play out, but I am keeping an open mind - especially because it appears they are the opposite of what the Biden admin did - and that admin was an undeniable disaster.

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Re: Trump Administration

Post by Donn Beach » Tue Nov 19, 2024 5:41 pm

It's not about any of trump's appointments, there are questions coming up with basically three of them. And that's what the process is supposed to be about. Other presidents have gone through the same thing, Clinton ended up withdrawing two of his if I'm not mistaken. Let's go through the process and find out. That's what the hearings are about. It's the checks and balances of the American democracy.

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Re: Trump Administration

Post by douche » Tue Nov 19, 2024 6:42 pm

Donn Beach wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2024 5:41 pm
It's the checks and balances of the American democracy.
:lol:

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Re: Trump Administration

Post by gil » Tue Nov 19, 2024 6:58 pm

auroraave wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2024 4:01 pm
gil wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2024 8:43 pm
Presidents have a right to nominate these key executive branch people, and if these nominees were NOT aligned politically with the president's campaign promises, I think a lot of supporters would be (rightfully) upset.

The concerns I have about Gabbard, Gaetz, and Hegseth have to do with (1) their seeming limited expertise in the areas of responsibility they have been nominated for, and (2) their limited experience running large organizations. I don't believe that simply having opinions that square with the president-elect's makes a person a good choice.
Gil, the problem with your post is you are going to say this about anyone Trump appoints - it's simply your baseline position. SO far, the appointees all seem to be people who have served and succeeded their entire adult life. What you are failing to grasp is this is the opposite of the Biden admin - NONE of these appointees are 'woke' or DEI hires - which was biden's failure. Jesus, his VP was the ultimate DEI hire. Remember Pete Buttegieg? The transpo secretary? Where was he during the largest shipping crisis in history? Out on maternity leave for 6 months. Remember 'non binary' DEi hire Sam Brinton who was fired for stealing luggage at multiple airports? How about Rachel Levine, DEI trans hire - who is completely out of shape - for Health Service. Really? All DEI hires - all disasters.

Trump is putting candidates who are the opposite - skilled, experienced, NOT WOKE and NOT DEI hires - people have had enough of that shit. Skills, experience, non-swamp creatures, and hilariously - mostly former democrats.

You know Hegseth is a decorated combat vet - right? YOu know he graduated from Princeton and received a Master's in Public Policy from Harvard. Explain how he's not qualified (this is where you make something trivial up because you must defend the Dems at any cost). Want to know how to confirm he's qualified? GO on CNN and MSNBC and watch them meltdown. The opposite of what those clowns say is generally the truth

You acknowledged Kamala's policies are failures - yet you voted for her. You said you liked Biden's economic policy, yet we're in the middle of the worst inflation in decades - while food, gas, housing are at all time highs. Your baseline, despite what you claim, is blind allegiance to the Dems and anti-Trump. It. Just. Is.

Trump aligned himself with out of the box thinkers, loyalists (why would you NOT hire loyalists?) who are moderates, and people who will get shit done. I don't know about Gaets or Rubio, not a fan myself, but they won't be DEI hires, woke, or pushing shit like 'russian collusion' - which is ultimately what the people want. You seem to prefer inflation, illegal migration, failed DEI hires and war mongering.

I have no idea how these nominees are going to play out, but I am keeping an open mind - especially because it appears they are the opposite of what the Biden admin did - and that admin was an undeniable disaster.
Sorry it took me so long to reply, auroraave. Leftwingtalkingpoints.com was down this morning, and as you know, I have no original thoughts. :lol:

You said, "the problem with your post is you are going to say this about anyone Trump appoints - it's simply your baseline position." No. I didn't say it about Rubio, Kennedy, or Noem. Or Burgum or Zeldin.

And I'll tell you why you shouldn't only hire loyalists: As a leader, you need people with subject matter expertise AND the backbone to tell you when there might be something else you should consider. As a leader, it's your call, but you want to know when you might be wrong. That's true if you are running the Mariners or President of the United States.

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Re: Trump Administration

Post by bpj » Tue Nov 19, 2024 7:07 pm

auroraave wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2024 4:59 pm
"You're all so stupid, I'm the only one that knows anything!"
- Seattle or Bust


Lol, dumbass.
Dude, with all due respect, the problem here is you. You are willfully engaging with someone who has proven over and over and over again to be completely unhinged and antagonistic. You DO understand they NEED your responses, right? SO, when you are responding to their nonsense, just remember who you are responding to:

Someone who expects YOU to pay their bills... like children do.
Someone who came unglued at someone selling merch on the side of the road. Psycho!
Someone who supports open borders, massive drug trafficking, human trafficking and enslavement. Gross!
Someone who continues to falsely regurgitate Trump narratives that have been debunked a thousand times. Imagine the ignorance!
Someone who wants war - where OTHERS go to die so Dick Cheney can make money. Just... wow.
Someone who actually thinks Kamala is a qualified candidate - despite four years of doing absolutely nothing and the total inability to string a coherent sentence together. :lol: C'mon, man!

Now go back and re-read that and then kindly explain to me why you would waste your time arguing with THAT? I'll give you this, it is amusing to read the posts of someone who is arrogantly and smugly consistently incorrect, but ultimately, it's just embarrassing. She/her/hers started a thread about the 2020 election - which matters not in 2024 - she's looking to antagonize - and you are feeding their desperate need for attention by responding. Be better than that!

The country has spoken - Blacks, Whites, Latinos, Asians - and overwhelmingly rejected their nonsense. Let 'em go find a new sandbox to bury their head and ridiculous ideologies in - while the adults have actual discussions. Also, your post was not wrong.
That's like saying a woman is the problem for not leaving when her husband attacks her.

Sure, she could end it herself. But that doesn't make her the problem.

I certainly accept responsibility for perpetuating the problem by interacting with any/every user on the board.

I don't think you coddle degenerates. That's what got us to this point. You people ignored them and let them be for the last 40 years. Now they think they can say and do whatever they want to unchecked, and they go unhinged when someone finally checks them.

No, the answer is multiple voices pointing out their stupidity, not allowing it to go on.

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Re: Trump Administration

Post by Pharmabro » Wed Nov 20, 2024 1:38 am

Coeurd’Alene J wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2024 1:36 pm
Seattle or Bust wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2024 8:08 am
Gaetz was only nominated so he could resign from his post in congress to end the investigation into him raping and trafficking teenage girls. The ethics committee was set to vote on whether to release their report on the investigation on him today. But they no longer have the jurisdiction to continue the investigation as Gaetz is no longer in congress.

Aside from MTG, he is probably the most reviled elected official in Washington. Republicans hate him, are celebrating his departure, and he will not be confirmed.

This was Trump doing Gaetz a favor for Gaetz's unrelenting loyalty. The confirmation hearing should be entertaining... he's got a lot of explaining to do.

Great start for the party of "law and order" and "we protect women."
No. Just more deep state bullshit




Matt Gaetz, Trump's appointee for Attorney General, was the victim of an orchestrated campaign of lawfare, a deliberate and cynical manipulation of the legal system to undermine political opponents. As a tireless defender of President Trump, Gaetz made enemies on both sides of the aisle, particularly during his vociferous stand against the fake Russian collusion narrative, the subsequent impeachment witch hunt, and the ouster of the Speaker of the House. Yet it is precisely this dedication to defending Trump's legitimacy—and by extension, the will of the people—that has painted a target on Gaetz's back.

Gaetz, as Trump’s Attorney General pick, epitomizes Trump's plan to transform the Department of Justice from a tool of political persecution into a bulwark against overreach. The Biden-Harris regime, threatened by a Gaetz appointment, decided to sabotage his career by dredging up baseless accusations. They found an easy mark—an accusation so lurid that the mere mention could destroy a man’s reputation. The charge? That Matt Gaetz was involved in sex trafficking with a 17-year-old high school student. Anonymously sourced and without evidence, these accusations painted Gaetz as a predator in the national press, all without a shred of corroboration. The hysteria was predictable, a veritable stampede of breathless reporters and smug talking heads all too eager to destroy a vocal Trump ally.

The situation became even more complex when Joel Greenberg, a Republican and former Seminole County, Florida, tax collector, and a close associate of Gaetz, was arrested in June 2020. Greenberg was subsequently indicted on 33 federal charges, including sex trafficking of a minor, identity theft, and wire fraud. In May 2021, Greenberg pleaded guilty to six charges, notably sex trafficking a minor, and agreed to cooperate with federal authorities. Part of Greenberg's cooperation included providing information about Gaetz, alleging that Gaetz had sexual relations with a 17-year-old girl and paid for her travel, potentially violating federal sex trafficking laws. This led to a federal investigation into Gaetz.

Despite Greenberg's cooperation, it became evident that his allegations were merely a desperate attempt to secure a lighter sentence. His credibility quickly unraveled under scrutiny, and the Department of Justice concluded its investigation into Gaetz without filing charges, citing concerns over the reliability of key witnesses, particularly Greenberg. Recognizing the lies and deceit at play, the DOJ chose to throw the book at Greenberg instead. Greenberg was sentenced to 11 years in prison for his crimes.

Gaetz, rather than slinking away, fought back. He revealed that the entire charade was a grotesque attempt to extort his father, a man of considerable means, by individuals including former Department of Justice officials. They wanted $25 million to make these allegations disappear. But rather than play along with their insidious game, Gaetz went to the FBI. His father donned a wire and cooperated in a sting operation that ultimately exposed the blackmail plot for what it was—a fraud concocted to destroy Matt Gaetz and, by extension, the Trump movement.

By 2022, the Justice Department, unable to ignore the evidence, charged Steven Alford with attempting to extort $25 million from the Gaetz family. He was convicted and sentenced to five years in prison. As for Gaetz, the DOJ quietly closed its investigation, admitting that no charges were warranted. But the damage had been done. For nearly two years, Matt Gaetz was a convenient punchline for Jimmy Kimmel and SNL, a byword for supposed Republican moral hypocrisy. His enemies within the House and Senate found new ammunition, and the media, once again, played its role to perfection—propagating a narrative that had no basis in fact.

What makes Gaetz’s case particularly infuriating is the convergence of opportunism on both sides of the political divide. The so-called "Uniparty," that elite establishment so terrified of true populist change, has shown that its members will eagerly exploit any perceived weakness among those who challenge the status quo. The Republican establishment had no qualms about targeting Gaetz when it suited them. Payback for ousting Speaker Kevin McCarthy was swift and brutal, with House Republicans resurrecting these unfounded claims in the Ethics Committee. The echoes of the Santos expulsion reverberated as they plotted Gaetz's removal. This is the price of leadership within the GOP today: dare to defy the "proper" order, and you will find your allies ready to knife you in the back.

Now, as the Senate considers Gaetz's confirmation as Attorney General, the Democrats and RINO Senators have their talking points lined up. They will cite the ethics investigation, resurrecting old innuendo to cast doubt on his fitness to lead. They will ignore the facts—that the DOJ itself, under Biden’s auspices, found no crime to charge—because facts are secondary to the narrative. This is not about justice; it is about keeping a true believer in America First ideals away from the levers of power.

Matt Gaetz’s saga is emblematic of the broader battle raging in American politics. He represents a threat to the comfortable status quo, a firebrand who does not shrink from confrontation. His stand against the fake Russia collusion hoax, his challenges to Rep. Adam Schiff during the impeachment charade, and his role in holding House Republicans accountable all mark him as an enemy of those who prize power over principle. His unflinching support for the January 6 defendants, many of whom have faced disproportionate legal consequences compared to other protest movements, further underscores his willingness to fight for the forgotten.

This is a campaign of political annihilation. It is a warning to anyone who dares oppose the regime, a declaration that the levers of state power can and will be used against you if you prove too troublesome. It is lawfare, pure and simple—using the threat of investigation, the weaponization of leaks, and the power of the media to silence dissent. Matt Gaetz, despite being exonerated by the DOJ, is facing a second trial in the court of public opinion, one engineered by his enemies not for truth, but for political gain.

But history shows us that such tactics often fail in the long run. Gaetz is far from the first conservative to face such treatment. From Goldwater to Reagan, from Nixon to Trump, the left and its allies within the establishment have consistently used smears, innuendo, and outright falsehoods to destroy their opponents. Yet these tactics have also galvanized the conservative base, revealing to ordinary Americans the lengths to which the establishment will go to maintain its power. Matt Gaetz's ordeal, painful though it has been, will likely serve a similar purpose—exposing the corruption at the heart of Washington and rallying those who still believe in an America for the people, not the powerful.
Geeze, " Ward, I think you were a little hard on the Beave last night."

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Re: Trump Administration

Post by Pharmabro » Wed Nov 20, 2024 1:44 am

Seattle or Bust wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2024 9:21 am
Coeurd’Alene J wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2024 1:36 pm
Seattle or Bust wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2024 8:08 am
Gaetz was only nominated so he could resign from his post in congress to end the investigation into him raping and trafficking teenage girls. The ethics committee was set to vote on whether to release their report on the investigation on him today. But they no longer have the jurisdiction to continue the investigation as Gaetz is no longer in congress.

Aside from MTG, he is probably the most reviled elected official in Washington. Republicans hate him, are celebrating his departure, and he will not be confirmed.

This was Trump doing Gaetz a favor for Gaetz's unrelenting loyalty. The confirmation hearing should be entertaining... he's got a lot of explaining to do.

Great start for the party of "law and order" and "we protect women."
No. Just more deep state bullshit




Matt Gaetz, Trump's appointee for Attorney General, was the victim of an orchestrated campaign of lawfare, a deliberate and cynical manipulation of the legal system to undermine political opponents. As a tireless defender of President Trump, Gaetz made enemies on both sides of the aisle, particularly during his vociferous stand against the fake Russian collusion narrative, the subsequent impeachment witch hunt, and the ouster of the Speaker of the House. Yet it is precisely this dedication to defending Trump's legitimacy—and by extension, the will of the people—that has painted a target on Gaetz's back.

Gaetz, as Trump’s Attorney General pick, epitomizes Trump's plan to transform the Department of Justice from a tool of political persecution into a bulwark against overreach. The Biden-Harris regime, threatened by a Gaetz appointment, decided to sabotage his career by dredging up baseless accusations. They found an easy mark—an accusation so lurid that the mere mention could destroy a man’s reputation. The charge? That Matt Gaetz was involved in sex trafficking with a 17-year-old high school student. Anonymously sourced and without evidence, these accusations painted Gaetz as a predator in the national press, all without a shred of corroboration. The hysteria was predictable, a veritable stampede of breathless reporters and smug talking heads all too eager to destroy a vocal Trump ally.

The situation became even more complex when Joel Greenberg, a Republican and former Seminole County, Florida, tax collector, and a close associate of Gaetz, was arrested in June 2020. Greenberg was subsequently indicted on 33 federal charges, including sex trafficking of a minor, identity theft, and wire fraud. In May 2021, Greenberg pleaded guilty to six charges, notably sex trafficking a minor, and agreed to cooperate with federal authorities. Part of Greenberg's cooperation included providing information about Gaetz, alleging that Gaetz had sexual relations with a 17-year-old girl and paid for her travel, potentially violating federal sex trafficking laws. This led to a federal investigation into Gaetz.

Despite Greenberg's cooperation, it became evident that his allegations were merely a desperate attempt to secure a lighter sentence. His credibility quickly unraveled under scrutiny, and the Department of Justice concluded its investigation into Gaetz without filing charges, citing concerns over the reliability of key witnesses, particularly Greenberg. Recognizing the lies and deceit at play, the DOJ chose to throw the book at Greenberg instead. Greenberg was sentenced to 11 years in prison for his crimes.

Gaetz, rather than slinking away, fought back. He revealed that the entire charade was a grotesque attempt to extort his father, a man of considerable means, by individuals including former Department of Justice officials. They wanted $25 million to make these allegations disappear. But rather than play along with their insidious game, Gaetz went to the FBI. His father donned a wire and cooperated in a sting operation that ultimately exposed the blackmail plot for what it was—a fraud concocted to destroy Matt Gaetz and, by extension, the Trump movement.

By 2022, the Justice Department, unable to ignore the evidence, charged Steven Alford with attempting to extort $25 million from the Gaetz family. He was convicted and sentenced to five years in prison. As for Gaetz, the DOJ quietly closed its investigation, admitting that no charges were warranted. But the damage had been done. For nearly two years, Matt Gaetz was a convenient punchline for Jimmy Kimmel and SNL, a byword for supposed Republican moral hypocrisy. His enemies within the House and Senate found new ammunition, and the media, once again, played its role to perfection—propagating a narrative that had no basis in fact.

What makes Gaetz’s case particularly infuriating is the convergence of opportunism on both sides of the political divide. The so-called "Uniparty," that elite establishment so terrified of true populist change, has shown that its members will eagerly exploit any perceived weakness among those who challenge the status quo. The Republican establishment had no qualms about targeting Gaetz when it suited them. Payback for ousting Speaker Kevin McCarthy was swift and brutal, with House Republicans resurrecting these unfounded claims in the Ethics Committee. The echoes of the Santos expulsion reverberated as they plotted Gaetz's removal. This is the price of leadership within the GOP today: dare to defy the "proper" order, and you will find your allies ready to knife you in the back.

Now, as the Senate considers Gaetz's confirmation as Attorney General, the Democrats and RINO Senators have their talking points lined up. They will cite the ethics investigation, resurrecting old innuendo to cast doubt on his fitness to lead. They will ignore the facts—that the DOJ itself, under Biden’s auspices, found no crime to charge—because facts are secondary to the narrative. This is not about justice; it is about keeping a true believer in America First ideals away from the levers of power.

Matt Gaetz’s saga is emblematic of the broader battle raging in American politics. He represents a threat to the comfortable status quo, a firebrand who does not shrink from confrontation. His stand against the fake Russia collusion hoax, his challenges to Rep. Adam Schiff during the impeachment charade, and his role in holding House Republicans accountable all mark him as an enemy of those who prize power over principle. His unflinching support for the January 6 defendants, many of whom have faced disproportionate legal consequences compared to other protest movements, further underscores his willingness to fight for the forgotten.

This is a campaign of political annihilation. It is a warning to anyone who dares oppose the regime, a declaration that the levers of state power can and will be used against you if you prove too troublesome. It is lawfare, pure and simple—using the threat of investigation, the weaponization of leaks, and the power of the media to silence dissent. Matt Gaetz, despite being exonerated by the DOJ, is facing a second trial in the court of public opinion, one engineered by his enemies not for truth, but for political gain.

But history shows us that such tactics often fail in the long run. Gaetz is far from the first conservative to face such treatment. From Goldwater to Reagan, from Nixon to Trump, the left and its allies within the establishment have consistently used smears, innuendo, and outright falsehoods to destroy their opponents. Yet these tactics have also galvanized the conservative base, revealing to ordinary Americans the lengths to which the establishment will go to maintain its power. Matt Gaetz's ordeal, painful though it has been, will likely serve a similar purpose—exposing the corruption at the heart of Washington and rallying those who still believe in an America for the people, not the powerful.
This article looks like it was written by someone deep up Trump's asshole.

The deep state... jesus christ man. How do any of you people make a living? Like, you have to hide this shit at your jobs right?
OMG! You are a fucking NPC at this point.

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