OT- Riots, who is responsible?

[Sexymarinersfan]

Is it possible to move this thread to "Political" where it belongs? No offense to anyone, I'm not directing at any one person, but I come to this site to avoid topics like this, and to see this as a constant reminder everyday is just annoying as all get out. Again, I know this is a sensitive topic and time, and don't mean to offend anyone, but I just don't wanna see this anymore in the baseball forum. Thanks all. Hope we get this season underway soon.

~Frustrated Mariner Man

[Hanjag]

We need to look at this via percentages, not absolute numbers. The black population in the U.S. is roughly 14%. Kinda like BA vs. OBP vs. OPS.

Population % is irrelevant. As a percentage of those involved in police encounters blacks are far higher than 14%, undoubtedly because they are far more likely to commit crimes than whites.

Someone earlier posted a statistic for the number of unarmed that were shot. I have no idea if the stats were accurate, or where they came from, but seems it was something like 19 white and 9 black. Those are numbers to start with. I understand what you are saying, but to try and say things like blacks and hispanics are more likely to be involved in gang activity or what ever just simply doesn't sit right. Someone would have to actually do a study, but we do know population percentages. I just googled and an article in 2016 says that blacks make up 12.7% of the population and whites 72.4%.

If you just use those numbers it doesn't make much sense to say it is equal. Kind of hard to look at the raw data and say that people are crazy to believe that racial profiling happens. If whites have six times the population, why only double the amount of unarmed shot by police? I don't know that those that believe there is no bias would like the answer to that. Understand this comes from someone that was raised in a family surrounded by law enforcement. My grandfather and both of his sons, hell, my Grandfather was the County Sheriff. They were great men...not all are.

One of the reasons I was so made at Michael Bennett and his BS is because it is a real issue. Bennett may have felt profiled, I have no idea why based on the evidence, but once the facts came out it looked bad. The same thing for that dumb ass actor who paid some people to beat him up so he could claim he was the victim of a hate crime. This shit REALLY happens, and when you do dumb stuff like they did it diminishes it.

I live in a smaller community, and while I knew there is issues with racism everywhere, I really didn't know how bad it could be until I became friends with a guy that is married to a black woman. It is really sad some of the stories I've been told. I used to hate to be told that "you just don't understand", but the truth is? I don't. I won't tell you I haven't had people not like me because I am white, because I have. But NOTHING compared to what she has gone through...and like I said, it is far worse elsewhere.

The riots make me sad, and they piss me off. For many reasons. One of those reasons is I truly felt that after this despicable human being in Minneapolis did what he did, I thought the nation was pretty well unified. That doesn't happen very much. But now? It doesn't matter how many peaceful protests happen, the conversation has gone from the terrible thing those police officers did, a topic almost all were unified on, to the looting and rioting. Something I don't agree with at all, but that issue divides us.

Michael, We tend to disagree often. My ex is 1/2 and once you marry you don't just marry her, you marry the family. I have many loving family relationships with members of her family. This stands to this day even though she has remarried. However, in this post, I can't find a reason for disagreement.

The bolded section has to do with
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLdDmeyMJls

The story of America is that we are all weak and naked as individuals. United we are unbreakable. The old story of a man picking up a twig and easily snapping it. He then picks up 13 twigs together and couldn't snap them...

[Hanjag]

Another point is that not a single person on the planet has defended this cop, he was almost instantly fired, arrested and charged and will likely spend decades in prison. So what are they protesting. Are that protesting that he was born and went crazy between then and now? Are they re-protesting past cases where cops got off? Or are they protesting that Prosecutors like Klobachar neglected to charge him and kick him off the force for his numerous prior violations? Only the latter makes sense but they can't touch that one because those prosecutors are likely all Dems like Amy.

Someone will defend him, literally, because he IS innocent until proven guilty under the law. But yes, it's yet ANOTHER instance of a police officer killing an unarmed Black person. If this were a one off, I doubt there would be protests. And yes, "the system" has too often turned a blind eye. Including, as you say, the future Sen. Klobachar. (Trust me, there are a lot of Democrats who figuratively became ill when they found out about her record on this.) I say this being the grandson of a NYC cop. My best friend in high school also was a NYC cop. One thing I know is that the police have an incredibly strong culture that is wonderfully supportive of each other and distrustful of most others. Unfortunately, it can amplify attitudes and fail to weed out bad apples. From everything I have read, this cop was a bad apple. As you said, no one disagrees ... except maybe the people who are spreading the rumor that George Floyd didn't really die.

Have you seen this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FChlMRFEZWQ

As of time of video victim took a plea. Cops still on the job.

[DavidGee24]

So I was reading this morning about how not too long ago Chauvin was disciplined for dragging some woman out of her car, who then filed a complaint. Now, while it is possible that the race of the woman is unknown, it would be nice to know what race she was along with the race of all the others that filed complaints against him. Are any of them white, and if the media knows are they burying that knowledge? It wouldn't surprise me considering that two of the three officers that were with Chauvin were Asian and the media has totally buried that fact.

Of course, this doesn't change what Chauvin did and what should become of him as a result, but it does show that the media creates a narrative that fuels the fire and contributes to getting more people killed. People ultimately make their own decisions but some of that blood is on the media's hands. As we all know though, they don't give a rat's ass. Careers are being made.

[Michael K.]

So I was reading this morning about how not too long ago Chauvin was disciplined for dragging some woman out of her car, who then filed a complaint. Now, while it is possible that the race of the woman is unknown, it would be nice to know what race she was along with the race of all the others that filed complaints against him. Are any of them white, and if the media knows are they burying that knowledge? It wouldn't surprise me considering that two of the three officers that were with Chauvin were Asian and the media has totally buried that fact.

Of course, this doesn't change what Chauvin did and what should become of him as a result, but it does show that the media creates a narrative that fuels the fire and contributes to getting more people killed. People ultimately make their own decisions but some of that blood is on the media's hands. As we all know though, they don't give a rat's ass. Careers are being made.

I think the issue, and I use the word think because I seriously don't know...but I think it is more about profiling than racism. The thought is that police are profiling the black community. The skin color of the cop doing it is less the issue. It is one of the reason, IMO, the Michael Bennett issue went away. Not only was his story about how he was just walking home to be with his family completely blown up, but he said racist, MANY times. Most of the protesters, and again correct me if I am wrong, but most of them don't care about the color of the cop, just that they feel they are unfairly profiled.

The video Hanjag posted is disturbing. As is the fact that that evidence was basically withheld while this innocent man served time! That was twice as bad as the cops were also white. This isn't going away until shit like that changes. I am on board with the thought process that it is only a small percentage of the cops doing this, and I don't have an answer besides we need to be punishing them publicly and severely. You are never going to have 100% of any profession be filled with high quality people, but you can sure stop protecting the ones that aren't.

[HawkBowler 2.0]

Why isn't Barrack Obama one of the choices? I choose him.

Black Lives Matter met with Obama in the oval office over 100 times. When Ferguson broke he sent AG Holder down to get the racist cop. Obama has helped BLM grow into a international organization. All based on a lie -- "Hands Up Don't Shoot"

Obama deserves all the credit for this. In fact, he's most likely the top dog behind the scenes directing the action. He's the community organizer and chief after all. It's amazing how these crowds have been totally rambunctiousness one day and completely out of control, then the next day they're all peaceful. It's almost like they're being controlled.

[Grandma Lynn]

Why isn't Barrack Obama one of the choices? I choose him.

Black Lives Matter met with Obama in the oval office over 100 times. When Ferguson broke he sent AG Holder down to get the racist cop. Obama has helped BLM grow into a international organization. All based on a lie -- "Hands Up Don't Shoot"

Obama deserves all the credit for this. In fact, he's most likely the top dog behind the scenes directing the action. He's the community organizer and chief after all. It's amazing how these crowds have been totally rambunctiousness one day and completely out of control, then the next day they're all peaceful. It's almost like they're being controlled.

They are being controlled, Soros, so I've heard.

[Coeurd’Alene J]

So I was reading this morning about how not too long ago Chauvin was disciplined for dragging some woman out of her car, who then filed a complaint. Now, while it is possible that the race of the woman is unknown, it would be nice to know what race she was along with the race of all the others that filed complaints against him. Are any of them white, and if the media knows are they burying that knowledge? It wouldn't surprise me considering that two of the three officers that were with Chauvin were Asian and the media has totally buried that fact.

Of course, this doesn't change what Chauvin did and what should become of him as a result, but it does show that the media creates a narrative that fuels the fire and contributes to getting more people killed. People ultimately make their own decisions but some of that blood is on the media's hands. As we all know though, they don't give a rat's ass. Careers are being made.

We likely will not find anything about Chauvin until this is in the history books and nobody seems to care or listen. Chauvin and Floyd worked at the same nightclub...evidently Chauvin outside as security and Floyd as a bouncer......What if this isn’t racial at all....but maybe a hit or settling a score....It’s obvious now where the media is taking this.........Maybe after the dust settles we may learn a lot more about both individuals.....I personally find it abhorant that anyone let alone a cop choke out someone to death with or without cameras rolling...sick individual. In spite of the media in America blaming Trump, This is and has been for decades a liberal city with Liberal domination in every aspect and yet the media attempts to divert blame and attention

[Coeurd’Alene J]

If we could vote again. I might check the media box. The media should get an Emmy for the narrative and fueling the riots

[D-train]

If we could vote again. I might check the media box. The media should get an Emmy for the narrative and fueling the riots

They despise Trump so much they have happily sold their moral and ethical souls to the devil in exchange for the false promise that he won't be re-elected. Sadly for them, in six months he will still be POTUS and they still won't have souls.....