Healthcare is needed when you are sick, injured or have a disease. Pregnancy is not that. Are you trying to be intentionally obtuse?gil wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 10:45 pmIf it involves internal organs and hormones, I don't know why you wouldn't consider it "healthcare". Are you saying that anything "elective" is not healthcare?D-train wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 9:29 pmI am generally pro abortion as well. I just can't stand the euphemism's and hypocrisy. It's not Women's healthcare. Just be honest, "I believe that I and this baby are better off if it isn't born" How f-ing tough is that? I can respect that.gil wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 7:22 pmI've always struggled with abortion because of the competing moral/ethical imperatives. But really, how many people have abortion parties? The women I know who have talked about having abortions have found it traumatizing, not something to celebrate.
How many people really are in favor of abortions just a few days before birth? I doubt there are many. And yes, I'm sure you can find some idiot or some fringe group who says so, but they are FAR from a significant percentage of the population. I know some people who are pretty far left for my taste (and I say that relating I am pretty far left for most of the people here) and I know literally no one who favors "last minute" abortions.
I think many of us (both left and right) have a problem where we see some radical fringe comment, and then attribute that viewpoint to hundreds of millions of people.
I'm generally pro-choice, but (1) I think there should be limits on later term abortions and (2) I get and respect the absolutist position if it has a moral/religious basis: No abortions under any circumstances, including rape or incest or life of the mother. But once exceptions are allowed, then we are in a moral gray area. Is the mother's life less important than the life of a fetus? Does a woman have an obligation to give birth to a baby that resulted from being raped by her uncle? Or is a fertilized egg more important in the eyes of God than anything else?
I don't know how many, but I do realize there are abortions done because of severe fetal deformity. Is this a good idea? The ultrasound to check on these kinds of defects can't be performed until the 2nd trimester, from what I have read.
But don't passionately fight to kill fetuses and then lose your shit because some illegal kid get separated from their parents for A FEW WEEKs when the mother knows full well that is going to happen. Its asinine.
Who the f "passionately fights to kiss fetuses"??? That is just misleading.
This is who:
https://www.google.com/search?q=pro+cho ... =937&dpr=1