State of the country

Grandma Lynn
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Re: State of the country

Post by Grandma Lynn » Mon Jan 23, 2023 3:15 am

DanielVogelbach wrote:
Tue Jan 17, 2023 5:01 am
One of the worst things I've ever seen. 10 million for that piece of shit. We're living in the last days. Lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4OxQTKTEKg
Yep, I agree with you!
Did you ever think there was
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Re: State of the country

Post by ddraig » Mon Jan 23, 2023 7:01 pm

Luckily, I'm old enough to hope I won't be around when the kids who vote now totally ruin the country. Most don't understand the Constitution, why it was created, and the limits placed on government by of the Bill of Rights.

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Re: State of the country

Post by Mel Bradford » Wed Jan 25, 2023 4:32 am

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/atlan ... e9ef78da38

Insufferable antifa (anti-Americans). Hang them by their thumbs until they recant.

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Re: State of the country

Post by DanielVogelbach » Wed Jan 25, 2023 5:33 am

ddraig wrote:
Mon Jan 23, 2023 7:01 pm
Luckily, I'm old enough to hope I won't be around when the kids who vote now totally ruin the country. Most don't understand the Constitution, why it was created, and the limits placed on government by of the Bill of Rights.
Voting has zero impact on the course of government. You can't vote your way out of tyranny. Your rights don't come from a piece of paper. The system is designed for you to blame the other political side rather than blaming the system itself. It's a trick to make you think the "country" will be better off with the right people in power rather than expose the illegitimacy of the authority. It's all force. All taxation is theft. The Constitution was not agreed upon by anyone than the rich landowners that put it together. Government never serves the people, it always serves the ruling class. If you want to blame anyone for the destruction of society, blame the government itself. And, who gives the government power? The order followers. The so-called "leaders" have no power without the order followers. Voting changes nothing. Politics is fake. Democracy is a scam. But, what does change things is not going along with it. Become ungovernable.

One important thing when discussing the "state of the country" is that countries themselves are totally fake. There's no sovereignty. All so-called "countries" move in lock-step. One of the main roles of "countries" is to create nationalism in each one. Fear the others. Believe the propaganda that your country is the good one. It's one world system. That being said, there are places you can go and get more freedom. In general, the more technologically advanced, the more tyrannical. Voting for change has no power, but relocating for change can provide some meaningful change without having to fight against anything. Just move to Mexico. Propaganda tells you it's dangerous there. Well, it's dangerous in parts of Detroit and Chicago also.

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Re: State of the country

Post by D-train » Tue Feb 07, 2023 1:16 pm

Should have saw it coming....
dt

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Re: State of the country

Post by DanielVogelbach » Tue Feb 07, 2023 7:36 pm

D-train wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 1:16 pm
Should have saw it coming....
I'm not sure how it is elsewhere, but in Texas almost every gas station has a bunch of 16oz beers sitting on ice. When you buy one, they put it in a can size paper bag all set up for you to drink on the road. It's still illegal to drink it while driving, but breaking that statutory "law" is very common. I always thought it was bullshit to penalize someone for drinking a beer in their car. We all know you can drink one beer and operate a motor vehicle. Also, it generally takes a while for the alcohol to kick in. So, if you grab one for your commute home after a hard day of work, then it's not even really hitting until you're home. Furthermore, I think BAC laws are bullshit also. Well, I think 99% of all laws are bullshit. But, in particular the BAC, because depending on your tolerance for alcohol, the BAC does not determine your impairment. Then they're able to lower the BAC threshold to make it even more unfair.

In my journey into libertarianism, anarchism, voluntaryism, agorism, etc... one of the things that comes up is, "no victim, no crime". So, basically, something that might lead to a crime is not a crime. This could include purchasing a gun, driving 150 mph, or drinking while driving. Swerving on the road is not a crime. Driving while impaired is not a crime. It's not a crime until you hurt someone else. Sure, it's not advisable to drink a pint of vodka and then drive somewhere, but you haven't committed a crime until you collide into someone else's vehicle, body, or property. Even if you smash into a tree and total your vehicle, you didn't commit a crime.

Seatbelt laws are immoral. it's up to the individual what type of risk they want to take. There is a view that seatbelts take pressure off the emergency rooms and help the "greater good". That's probably true, just like many other socially conscience actions might help society e.g. recycling your trash, feeding the homeless, etc. But, you must convince others to take on these positive actions voluntarily. Making them mandatory is immoral and tyrannical. The whole "greater good" concept is a communist / socialist tactic that leads to tyranny. The mandatory Covid vaccine was a great example.
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Re: State of the country

Post by Mel Bradford » Sat Feb 11, 2023 6:12 am

Remember MADD.....mothers against drunk driving ? Its why a DUI costs in the thou$ands.

Its how it always works. Grassroots = legislation = a financial industry for government. Now they are going after guns.

Uncle Sam 'loves' to fund so called "prevention programs".

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Re: State of the country

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Re: State of the country

Post by Mel Bradford » Thu Feb 23, 2023 4:12 am

FB police the police is a catchy promo. But its dishonest. The premise that '"every crime must have an injured party" is actually true. But the ad dismisses it out of hand for libertarian gobbledygook.

What happens if I drive 100 MPH on a road posted at 50 mph and get pulled over ? Where is the injured party ?

The simple answer is "the people of the area I was pulled over in". Or the city. or county of said law violation.

Speeding = endangerment. We have laws that prohibit all kings of endangerment...right down to a broken taillight. Police have discretion.

Ultimately, the ad projects the same kind of hostility toward law enforcement that we see on officer bodycam footage that makes it to youtube. Its just dressed up in legal ease as if traffic court is held in the drivers seat.

Whats next.....the sovereign citizen accountable to no one ?

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Re: State of the country

Post by DanielVogelbach » Fri Feb 24, 2023 3:53 am

Mel Bradford wrote:
Thu Feb 23, 2023 4:12 am
FB police the police is a catchy promo. But its dishonest. The premise that '"every crime must have an injured party" is actually true. But the ad dismisses it out of hand for libertarian gobbledygook.

What happens if I drive 100 MPH on a road posted at 50 mph and get pulled over ? Where is the injured party ?

The simple answer is "the people of the area I was pulled over in". Or the city. or county of said law violation.

Speeding = endangerment. We have laws that prohibit all kings of endangerment...right down to a broken taillight. Police have discretion.

Ultimately, the ad projects the same kind of hostility toward law enforcement that we see on officer bodycam footage that makes it to youtube. Its just dressed up in legal ease as if traffic court is held in the drivers seat.

Whats next.....the sovereign citizen accountable to no one ?
Tyranny is generally sold as "safety" and "convenience".

Sovereign doesn't mean unaccountable. Every person should be treated as a sovereign and their contracts and associations should be entered voluntarily. This is objective morality whereas statism is objectively an illegitimate use of force.

The Non Agression Principle and natural law state that force can't be used morally unless in self-defense. I think someone would have to be driving quite recklessly to justify forcing them to pull over. This could get into some gray area. I personally think there is no crime unless there is injury to person or property. Something like "don't drink and drive" or "don't put your finger on the trigger unless you're ready to shoot" are fantastic advice, but there's no crime going against them unless an injury occurs. No harm, no foul.

For simplicity's sake, though, let's just focus on the guy that gets pulled over for doing 85 in a 65 on a wide open road with no cars anywhere around except for the cop wasting taxpayer's money all day hiding out on the side of the road in a $100k taxpayer funded hot-rod.

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