It Is Balloon!

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Re: It Is Balloon!

Post by DanielVogelbach » Tue Feb 07, 2023 12:05 am

Sibelius Hindemith wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 12:13 pm
I think i have a vague recollection of a congenial person of the liberal persuasion that posted on ST but the name eludes me. That person was unusual in that he avoided personal attacks and name-calling in favor of arguing on the topic at hand. Was that you?
I don't know how congenial I was. I think I am a nicer person as an anarchist. I no longer harbor anything negative toward the "other side", because I no longer see left vs. right. I only see statist vs anarchist. And, I don't blame anyone for being a statist. That stuff is drilled into us all like children of a cult as we sit at a desk for 8 hours a day for 12 years in government indoctrination camps pledging our allegiance. And, then what happens if you turn on the TV, watch a movie, go to a sporting event. The nationalism and statism are drilled in repeatedly. I was in my 40s when I started gravitating toward free markets and liberty and began following the mantra of peace, love, and anarchy. Many people will go to their deathbed believing politics is real and watching FOX or CNN in the hospital right up to the minute they take their last breath.

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Re: It Is Balloon!

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Re: It Is Balloon!

Post by Donn Beach » Tue Feb 07, 2023 5:12 am

bpj wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 6:02 am
I'm kind of curious if anybody who knows about this stuff checked to see if the thing was putting out any signals.

As far as I know the thing could have been broadcasting a signal to everybody that the US was hiding labs in Ukraine that they were forced to defend (cover up) by backing Ukraine.

No other reason I can think of why we need to play their keeper.


We're pretty much just taking the government and media's word for it that it's a Chinese Spy Balloon.

That doesn't seem like a very good idea these days.
It's because they feel the need to impede Russia isn't it? It's a proxy war. It's must be a treasure trove of data in terms of NATO weapons against Russia's

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Re: It Is Balloon!

Post by D-train » Tue Feb 07, 2023 12:54 pm

Sibelius Hindemith wrote:
Sun Feb 05, 2023 4:39 pm
DanielVogelbach wrote:
Sun Feb 05, 2023 1:49 am
IMO China and USA are controlled by the same people. Sovereign countries are not real. So, this is just part of the illusion.

Without the fabrication of an enemy, there would be no fear. Without the fear, there would be no submission. There would be no flag worship.
Did you use to go by the username "Hawkbowler"?
Only reason I know it isn't him is because Hawkbowler has zero idea who Vogey is. :lol:
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Re: It Is Balloon!

Post by D-train » Tue Feb 07, 2023 12:58 pm

DanielVogelbach wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 6:50 am
Sibelius Hindemith wrote:
Sun Feb 05, 2023 4:39 pm
DanielVogelbach wrote:
Sun Feb 05, 2023 1:49 am
IMO China and USA are controlled by the same people. Sovereign countries are not real. So, this is just part of the illusion.

Without the fabrication of an enemy, there would be no fear. Without the fear, there would be no submission. There would be no flag worship.
Did you use to go by the username "Hawkbowler"?
What happened to Hakwbowler and what happened to Moe Gibbs? I had a username on the old Seattle Times forum. Back then I had a mental disorder called "liberalism". I used to believe that government could stop the super rich and provide more wealth to the middle class. Now, I realize that government will always work for the ruling class. That's all it is. It's just people ruling over other people. Government is nothing more than a monopoly on the use of force. Some governments are more tyrannical than others. But, they are all immoral and all based on force. Regardless of the for the people by the people propaganda, there has never been consent to the rulers. The US Constitution was created by a small handful of wealthy landowners. It's not like they got everyone to sign off on it. Just like all governments, they are forced onto the people. In truth, the USA was much more free under colonial rule than it is now. There were barely any taxes or regulations under the crown. Now you pay tax at every turn and you need a license for everything including cutting hair.

I had my awakening shortly after the creation of Marinertalk. I made a few posts under my new handle Daniel Vogelbach, but I don't think I ever officially confirmed my former ST Forums identity. D-Trains did correctly identify me at one point. But, I don't think I acknowledged it. I was probably still making dumb liberal comments back then. But, it wasn't too long after the formation of Marinertalk that I started learning about voluntaryism, anarcho-capitalism, libertarianism, etc. At first, I hung on to statism, but over time I realized statism is a cult. I would love to be able to get people out of the cult. That's why I came back here to make some posts.

Two key tenants transformed my entire worldview

#1 You can't delegate rights you don't have. If you don't have the right to take money from your neighbor to pay for something you want, then you can't delegate that right to a "representative". Even if it's a great idea, e.g. building a fabulous school to teach an awesome curriculum to the kids or a bridge to connect two cities and create opportunities for commerce, you still can't force anyone to pay for it. You must convince them to donate money towards it. Force is always immoral. Human interaction should always be on a voluntary basis. There is the classic saying, "Socialism... ideas so good they have to be mandatory".

So, the take-away regarding tenant #1 is that all taxation is theft.


#2 Central banks are evil. They were always evil, but things came off the rails in 1971 when the US dollar left the gold standard. People don't really think that hard about inflation and what it actually is. The money is backed by nothing. They can print it whenever they want and give it to whoever they want. It's a total scam. The Federal Reserve is a privately owned corporation. The US Treasury has no treasure. They have a 31 Trillion dollar I.O.U to the Fed. People will bicker about all these meaningless issues. My favorite are the voter issues. Voter fraud. Voter discrimination. None of that has any bearing on anything. They are robbing you blind by devaluing the currency. Between inflation and taxation they are stealing over half of everyone's wealth. If we simply had this money back, imagine the society we could build. Do you really believe the government will spend your money smarter than you will? Of course not, they are stealing 90% of the revenue and giving you some bullshit "services" in return with the other 10%.


So, that's how I became a free market person. If I read some of my old posts from the ST Forums days I would be embarrassed. Half of them were probably going back and forth with Moe Gibbs on racism. Now, I see racism as a totally fabricated issue. Sure there are racists out there and some of them might make some awful comments. But, ultimately racism doesn't hold people back. What holds people back is "government" by way of the two points above. Politicians use the concept of racism to spur emotion and get the brainwashed liberals all fired up. It worked on me for years!

So, do you know who I am now? Or do you need more clues? :D
More clues! I don't remember identifying you. Trying to remember the libs on ST forum and can only think of Calabcoug at the moment.
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Re: It Is Balloon!

Post by Sibelius Hindemith » Tue Feb 07, 2023 3:50 pm

If i recall correctly, there was a 60's-type hippie liberal at ST who was generally laid-back and non-confrontational. Can't recall the username, but that would be my guess.
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Re: It Is Balloon!

Post by douche » Tue Feb 07, 2023 5:05 pm

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Re: It Is Balloon!

Post by Sibelius Hindemith » Tue Feb 07, 2023 5:27 pm

They're now saying "we were jamming the communications the whole time". Okay, so unless it was completely autonomous, how were the Chinese able to control its flight path to go directly over several military installations if the signals wrre being jammed?

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Re: It Is Balloon!

Post by maoling » Tue Feb 07, 2023 6:02 pm

Sibelius Hindemith wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 5:27 pm
They're now saying "we were jamming the communications the whole time". Okay, so unless it was completely autonomous, how were the Chinese able to control its flight path to go directly over several military installations if the signals wrre being jammed?
Answer: The Biden Disinformation Team is totally lying again.

That thing should have been taken down over the Aleutians or Montana -- or Canada.

Worried about hitting someone lol...seven square miles of debris in wide-open Montana or the uninhabited Aleutians.

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Re: It Is Balloon!

Post by DanielVogelbach » Tue Feb 07, 2023 8:11 pm

D-train wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 12:58 pm

More clues! I don't remember identifying you. Trying to remember the libs on ST forum and can only think of Calabcoug at the moment.
I will certainly come forth with it. But, I don't want to give you the "rhymes with" dead give-away yet.

When I first started posting as DV, you said "I think it's "________" and you were 100% right.

Another clue:

During the height of my liberalism mental disorder I was posting on ST forums a lot. That was one of my main libtard rage outlets. At one point I made a comment that "I always wanted to make a trip to Seattle for D-Trains annual watch party", but then when I found out about your political views, I decided I wanted no part of socializing with these racist right-wingers.

I was really deep into the liberalism. It's amazing how much my views have changed. As I've stated here, I don't support the Republican party either. I think the whole thing is a scam. But, the rhetoric is much better with the conservatives. They talk about responsible spending. They aren't pushing all the woke crap. They don't blame everything on hate and racism. But, in the end, it's all the same - it all serves the ruling class. When I was deep into the liberalism... my peak was heavily supporting Bernie Sanders. After Sanders I was into Andrew Yang and UBI. As stated previously, I now realize that government can't regulate the rich.

The rich will always control the government. They key is to limit the power of the rich to their financial power. Don't add on the power of "government". That's how you let them really screw you. Same thing with fiat currency backed by nothing. Note that the rich still use gold and silver. JP Morgan Chase has the largest stockpile of silver in the world I believe. They create their fake monopoly money out of thin air and force us to use it, then they take their gains and convert into real money. The only real money is gold and silver, and you might also throw in crypto currency now. I recommend people get into silver, because not only is it a monetary metal, but it's an industrial metal as well. Silver is in all electronics, all solar panels, all cars. But, you can't be buying silver via ETF. It's got to be physical silver that you stash in your home. They say there are 1,000 paper claims on every physical ounce of silver. If everyone in simply went out and bought 100 ounces of physical silver it would cause a massive short / bank run type of deal that would change the entire financial landscape.

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