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Re: Nikki anyone

Post by DanielVogelbach » Thu Feb 16, 2023 9:45 pm

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Thu Feb 16, 2023 5:22 pm
First step? Eliminate the popular vote for Senators and place the selection process back into the hands of State Legislatures. Right now we have 100 "Little Presidents" as Senators. Make the Senate more responsible to the states and eliminate the money train for Senators. There would be more oversite as well. Second step? Term Limits for ALL in the federal government including bureaucrats. No more than 12 years in office, either House or Senate, and no crossover. Finally, outlaw former government employees from ever working for lobbies! Then too, move the State Department to New York, Agriculture to Nebraska, Transportation to Los Angeles, Education to Oklahoma, etc. Get them all out of the echo chamber that is Washington, D.C.
I personally have pretty much given up on fixing the world. But, basically I am pro freedom and anti government. I think it's hilarious that we have this massive government and call it the land of the free. It's such obvious indoctrination once you see it. Politicians are always lacing their rhetoric with the word "freedom" when we are all slaves to the taxes and inflation.

Step one would be to eliminate the Senate. That's an obvious way that the whole thing is easily controlled. 100 people ruling over 300 million people and nobody even questions it.

Step two would be to eliminate the Federal government and let each state run itself. The larger the so-called "government" the more opportunity for tyranny. Also, the less opportunity to flee to somewhere where you will be treated differently.

Step three would be further decentralization where the 50 states become 500 states. We could get rid of the states and let each county run itself independent of any other "government" entity. Government generally only grows. It never shrinks. We had far more liberty when we were under colonial rule. There were barely any taxes or regulations. You didn't need a passport to leave the country. Now, we are supposedly the land of the free and you can't even cut someone's hair without a license. So, the goal should be to decentralize, break apart, and stop recognizing the illegitimate authority being imposed.

The ultimate step is each person as their own sovereign entity with zero geographically based jurisdictions. Government is inherently immoral. Nobody has any right to rule over anyone else. It doesn't matter if it's a King, dictator, or some bullshit presentation where we supposedly elect our rulers. We shouldn't be forced to elect anyone to rule over us. We shouldn't be forced to pay taxes to anyone. All human interaction and association should be voluntary. I should be able to be a citizen of Ireland even if I live in North America. You shouldn't be born into a jurisdiction without your consent. Even the lauded "Constitution" was implemented without getting the consent of the people that would be subjected to it. This is not how contract law works. There must be consent by each party for the contract to be valid. Aside from that, the only true law is natural law.

I try to explain the concepts of liberty and why statism is immoral and illegitimate. But, really, Larken Rose already nailed the explanations in a short book called "The Most Dangerous Superstition". I was still clinging on to the concept of statism until I read that book and realized that my morality and good conscience won't allow for me to support statism any longer.

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Re: Nikki anyone

Post by Cascade Kid » Fri Feb 17, 2023 2:41 am

I wouldn't mind seeing a guy like Justin Amash in the white house. We would see the NSA and ATF become a noontime shadow of it's current self thus cutting significant costs while securing our privacy. BS legislation that is redundant to current laws or unconstitutional and blotted spending bills would sit and collect dust. The EU would pay its fair share of NATO since funding will become significantly reduced by the US. Social programs such as welfare and VA disability benefits would require them to become vested like social security IF they were to remain. Limit the powers of the FBI to investagating and get rid of its policing authority. And make clear to law enforcement that there will be a thorough understanding of the Bill of Rights and how their duties as officers will follow accordingly and without deception.

Republican nor Democrat could accomplish such things. Vote Libertarian!

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Re: Nikki anyone

Post by DanielVogelbach » Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:26 pm

Cascade Kid wrote:
Fri Feb 17, 2023 2:41 am
I wouldn't mind seeing a guy like Justin Amash in the white house. We would see the NSA and ATF become a noontime shadow of it's current self thus cutting significant costs while securing our privacy. BS legislation that is redundant to current laws or unconstitutional and blotted spending bills would sit and collect dust. The EU would pay its fair share of NATO since funding will become significantly reduced by the US. Social programs such as welfare and VA disability benefits would require them to become vested like social security IF they were to remain. Limit the powers of the FBI to investagating and get rid of its policing authority. And make clear to law enforcement that there will be a thorough understanding of the Bill of Rights and how their duties as officers will follow accordingly and without deception.

Republican nor Democrat could accomplish such things. Vote Libertarian!
True libertarians don't vote.

About those Libertarians

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Re: Nikki anyone

Post by gil » Fri Feb 17, 2023 7:55 pm

At least SOME conservatives aren't very happy about Haley. Example:

https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtsch ... dium=email

It's pretty brutal, especially in comparing Haley to Kamala Harris.

"Like Kamala, Nikki is everything wrong with her party. Kamala is Hillary Lite, slightly less bitter, a lot dumber, but just as insincere. Nikki is Jeb! in a skirt, temperamentally establishment and soft, but much more ambitious and cunning than the human puffball who begged us to "Please clap" as he awaited what he expected would be a coronation.

"Vapid. Overrated. Unaccomplished despite her credentials. Nikki Haley is the Peter Principle personified, a tiresome, empty pantsuit whose pure and shameless ambition compensates for her lack of talent. Both she and Kamala want to be president. An America dumb enough to allow either one to do so deserves the pain that will inevitably follow. Yeah, I'll vote for her in the general if the GOP is nuts enough to nominate her, but observing that her moderate fecklessness is marginally better than whatever chump the communists throw at us is damnation with faint praise."

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Re: Nikki anyone

Post by Cascade Kid » Fri Feb 17, 2023 11:35 pm

DanielVogelbach wrote:
Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:26 pm
Cascade Kid wrote:
Fri Feb 17, 2023 2:41 am
I wouldn't mind seeing a guy like Justin Amash in the white house. We would see the NSA and ATF become a noontime shadow of it's current self thus cutting significant costs while securing our privacy. BS legislation that is redundant to current laws or unconstitutional and blotted spending bills would sit and collect dust. The EU would pay its fair share of NATO since funding will become significantly reduced by the US. Social programs such as welfare and VA disability benefits would require them to become vested like social security IF they were to remain. Limit the powers of the FBI to investagating and get rid of its policing authority. And make clear to law enforcement that there will be a thorough understanding of the Bill of Rights and how their duties as officers will follow accordingly and without deception.

Republican nor Democrat could accomplish such things. Vote Libertarian!
True libertarians don't vote.

About those Libertarians
This guy and myself are not on the same page when it comes to Libertarian. Though he denies it, but because he admits to it, he's upset that it takes a voting mass away from the two party system. He also rattles on about a completely false viewpoint about the powers of government because he's already been fully indoctrinated into what the government does, then the government shall do, and this leaves Libertarian think deceptive to him thus defensive. He is basically just saying to slip back into your coma and continue to take the governments medicine which is completely backwards thinking.

Libertarian isn't an extremist point of view, however there are always extreme poles in any faction of political bodies. Libertarianism is about maximum liberty without impeding other's liberty and their pursuit for happiness. Now that doesn't sound unreasonable, right? Just take a look at what government agencies impacts our liberty most and work it out from there. HI'm not saying get rid of ICE or the FBI tomorrow, but setforth a better version of them that does not trounce on liberty.

Did you know that if you are charged with a crime that you are effectively guilt until proven innocent? Where do you think plea bargans come from? It's to fast track an outcomeunder presumed guilt to save procecutor's time, but offered on a platter of high punishment if challenged in a trial. So this leaves many innocent people paying for a crime they never commit which could impact them for a life time. But if you want to take your blue pills that's up to you. But your video example is spoken by someone with several fundamentally flawed viewpoints on Libertarianism.

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Re: Nikki anyone

Post by DanielVogelbach » Sat Feb 18, 2023 1:01 am

Cascade Kid wrote:
Fri Feb 17, 2023 11:35 pm
DanielVogelbach wrote:
Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:26 pm
Cascade Kid wrote:
Fri Feb 17, 2023 2:41 am
I wouldn't mind seeing a guy like Justin Amash in the white house. We would see the NSA and ATF become a noontime shadow of it's current self thus cutting significant costs while securing our privacy. BS legislation that is redundant to current laws or unconstitutional and blotted spending bills would sit and collect dust. The EU would pay its fair share of NATO since funding will become significantly reduced by the US. Social programs such as welfare and VA disability benefits would require them to become vested like social security IF they were to remain. Limit the powers of the FBI to investagating and get rid of its policing authority. And make clear to law enforcement that there will be a thorough understanding of the Bill of Rights and how their duties as officers will follow accordingly and without deception.

Republican nor Democrat could accomplish such things. Vote Libertarian!
True libertarians don't vote.

About those Libertarians
This guy and myself are not on the same page when it comes to Libertarian. Though he denies it, but because he admits to it, he's upset that it takes a voting mass away from the two party system. He also rattles on about a completely false viewpoint about the powers of government because he's already been fully indoctrinated into what the government does, then the government shall do, and this leaves Libertarian think deceptive to him thus defensive. He is basically just saying to slip back into your coma and continue to take the governments medicine which is completely backwards thinking.

Libertarian isn't an extremist point of view, however there are always extreme poles in any faction of political bodies. Libertarianism is about maximum liberty without impeding other's liberty and their pursuit for happiness. Now that doesn't sound unreasonable, right? Just take a look at what government agencies impacts our liberty most and work it out from there. HI'm not saying get rid of ICE or the FBI tomorrow, but setforth a better version of them that does not trounce on liberty.

Did you know that if you are charged with a crime that you are effectively guilt until proven innocent? Where do you think plea bargans come from? It's to fast track an outcomeunder presumed guilt to save procecutor's time, but offered on a platter of high punishment if challenged in a trial. So this leaves many innocent people paying for a crime they never commit which could impact them for a life time. But if you want to take your blue pills that's up to you. But your video example is spoken by someone with several fundamentally flawed viewpoints on Libertarianism.
I assure you Larken Rose cares not about the outcome of any election.

There are two reasons why the LP is a waste of time and energy.

#1 They never win

But, more importantly, they legitimize the government when there is in fact no legitimacy. It's all illegitimate use of force. All taxation is theft.

You don't need to obtain a position within government to have an impact on society. In fact, politics is one of the least impactful things you can do. If voting mattered, they wouldn't let you do it. Voting and politics is doing the exact bidding of the system. It's falling nice and obediently in line.

I am a libertarian with a lowercase "L". It's not extreme at all. Statism is extreme. But everyone is indoctrinated to think it's normal or legitimate. But, it's a gigantic cult and a complete scam.

https://government-scam.com/
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Re: Nikki anyone

Post by Cascade Kid » Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:28 am

DanielVogelbach wrote:
Sat Feb 18, 2023 1:01 am
Cascade Kid wrote:
Fri Feb 17, 2023 11:35 pm
DanielVogelbach wrote:
Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:26 pm


True libertarians don't vote.

About those Libertarians
This guy and myself are not on the same page when it comes to Libertarian. Though he denies it, but because he admits to it, he's upset that it takes a voting mass away from the two party system. He also rattles on about a completely false viewpoint about the powers of government because he's already been fully indoctrinated into what the government does, then the government shall do, and this leaves Libertarian think deceptive to him thus defensive. He is basically just saying to slip back into your coma and continue to take the governments medicine which is completely backwards thinking.

Libertarian isn't an extremist point of view, however there are always extreme poles in any faction of political bodies. Libertarianism is about maximum liberty without impeding other's liberty and their pursuit for happiness. Now that doesn't sound unreasonable, right? Just take a look at what government agencies impacts our liberty most and work it out from there. HI'm not saying get rid of ICE or the FBI tomorrow, but setforth a better version of them that does not trounce on liberty.

Did you know that if you are charged with a crime that you are effectively guilt until proven innocent? Where do you think plea bargans come from? It's to fast track an outcomeunder presumed guilt to save procecutor's time, but offered on a platter of high punishment if challenged in a trial. So this leaves many innocent people paying for a crime they never commit which could impact them for a life time. But if you want to take your blue pills that's up to you. But your video example is spoken by someone with several fundamentally flawed viewpoints on Libertarianism.
I assure you Larken Rose cares not about the outcome of any election.

There are two reasons why the LP is a waste of time and energy.

#1 They never win

But, more importantly, they legitimize the government when there is in fact no legitimacy. It's all illegitimate use of force. All taxation is theft.

You don't need to obtain a position within government to have an impact on society. In fact, politics is one of the least impactful things you can do. If voting mattered, they wouldn't let you do it. Voting and politics is doing the exact bidding of the system. It's falling nice and obediently in line.

I am a libertarian with a lowercase "L". It's not extreme at all. Statism is extreme. But everyone is indoctrinated to think it's normal or legitimate. But, it's a gigantic cult and a complete scam.

https://government-scam.com/Photo Nov 15, 11 52 30 AM.jpg
Socialists seem to find a way to win. The difference is that socialists, democrats and republicans are all pitching and resell people their own products and goods at a premium under their own rules. But that's only a distraction to the bigger problems such as the Fed, the Patriot Act, and other overreaching programs that operate at the expense of you liberty and privacy.

It's good that you tilt libertarian. Libertarians tend to fill a wide spectrum that requires being open mined on social activities. We are empathetic humans afterall

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Re: Nikki anyone

Post by DanielVogelbach » Sat Feb 18, 2023 9:07 pm

Cascade Kid wrote:
Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:28 am

Socialists seem to find a way to win. The difference is that socialists, democrats and republicans are all pitching and resell people their own products and goods at a premium under their own rules. But that's only a distraction to the bigger problems such as the Fed, the Patriot Act, and other overreaching programs that operate at the expense of you liberty and privacy.

It's good that you tilt libertarian. Libertarians tend to fill a wide spectrum that requires being open mined on social activities. We are empathetic humans afterall

I don't tilt libertarian. I'm 100% libertarian. I just don't support voting or participating in politics. I don't support the LP. I think that time and energy can be spent much better elsewhere for several reasons. The most important factor would be that the simple process of engaging in politics legitimizes the system when there is in fact no moral authority for anyone to rule over others.

My philosophy is that statism and tyranny are not implemented by the leaders. They are really implemented via the order followers. Every time you pay your taxes, you are enslaving yourself. Everyone likes to point their fingers at the politicians at the top, and that's part of the game. The real truth is that the system of enslavement is implemented through every obedient citizen. Without everyone falling in line, it would not be possible for so few to control so many. We use the politicians as the scapegoats, when in reality we enslave ourselves by doing what authority tells us to.

Good mention of the Fed and distraction. Those are two of my favorite concepts. 99% of what people focus on is distraction. The Fed is part of the 1% that actually matters. Central banks and governments are the enemy. They work together. There is only one currency you can pay your taxes with. This is why I have become interested in real money vs fake money and recommend that everyone should put aside some of their savings into physical gold and silver. I also look at cryptocurrencies for the same reason. As for the Patriot act, I'm big on privacy and 100% against the government getting all up in your business. I think that's one area where it takes technology to beat the technology. It's probably not a matter of repealing the Patriot Act as much as it is a matter of encrypting your data. Any piece of paper such as the Bill of Rights is obviously worthless, because they have the power to amend it or break it whenever they want.

It's all socialism to me. This idea that when a "conservative" is in power that you're not still dealing with the exact same problem is a joke to me. They've got people brainwashed to think that only the "left" is responsible for the gigantic beast of government. No, that's all fake. They need that left / right paradigm to keep people buying in election after election. But, the government will always work for the ruling class regardless of which politician is put in front of the people. It's not like you can elect someone and then suddenly there's no more income tax, sales tax, property tax, gasoline tax, or fiat currency inflation. Nothing ever changes through politics. Yet, people spend all kinds of time following these stupid politicians and thinking about which one they want to vote for - that's another "distraction" for you!

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