3 strikes and you're out!

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Re: 3 strikes and you're out!

Post by Mel Bradford » Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:53 am

Thanks for the clarification.Had my states mixed up. Not surprised about Spokanes leftward drift.

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Re: 3 strikes and you're out!

Post by Mel Bradford » Thu Mar 23, 2023 7:55 pm

Many States have George Soros sponsored Attorney Generals. Why ?....because being soft on crime is good socialist policy. Its one of the best assaults on the middle class that manages itself. Just keep the criminals out of jail and 'the privileged' will pay with their private property (and sometimes their lives)

Our very own nitwit Keith Ellison confirms it. The Twin Cities, once the model of public safety and urban tranquility has descended into an open market for theft, violence and public insecurity. One such example is car-jackings and car thefts. Up a gazillion percent since the Floyd debacle.

The George Soros solution ??.....Sue the car manufacturers. You can't make this stuff up.

https://www.minnpost.com/glean/2023/03/ ... abilities/

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Re: 3 strikes and you're out!

Post by Mel Bradford » Thu Mar 23, 2023 10:50 pm

Oh look, the little shit who helped paralyze the young woman .....was at the time 'out on bond for another crime'...$100 bond for unlawful possession of a firearm. AND apparently another for aggravated robbery in February. Geesh !

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/ho ... hover&ei=4

And so as the sob story goes, his family complains that they can't afford the $200,000 bond for the ATM attack so the judge lowers it to $100,000.

What was Douche saying about 'fear of freedom' ? And we see that powers-that-be afraid to protect the freedom of the law abiding.

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Re: 3 strikes and you're out!

Post by Cascade Kid » Sun Mar 26, 2023 3:44 pm

Donn Beach wrote:
Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:13 am
Not every crime is considered a "strike".
Three strikes laws generally deal with serious and violent felony offenses. Common crimes considered "strikes" include rape, murder, arson, and robbery. But the lists of "strikes" vary by state—some include nonviolent offenses like treason, drug trafficking, felony theft, and bribery.
Correct. Some are fouled tips :lol:

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Re: 3 strikes and you're out!

Post by Donn Beach » Mon Mar 27, 2023 2:04 am

That's pretty good!

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Re: 3 strikes and you're out!

Post by D-train » Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:53 am

Mel Bradford wrote:
Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:53 am
Thanks for the clarification.Had my states mixed up. Not surprised about Spokanes leftward drift.
Perhaps there is a correlation with packing people into densely population areas and them eventually going insane resulting in the adoption of lib polices??? :idea:
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Re: 3 strikes and you're out!

Post by DanielVogelbach » Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:18 pm

I think three strikes was predatory to incarcerate more people. Most violent crime carries a long sentence even with one violation. Three strikes was a way to take three one-year sentences and turn them into life in prison or something. That's not really justice to me. Also, the only criminal in a non-violent drug transaction is the guy with the uniform and the gun intervening with the peaceful transaction between two willing participants.

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Re: 3 strikes and you're out!

Post by Michael K. » Tue Mar 28, 2023 3:00 pm

DanielVogelbach wrote:
Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:18 pm
I think three strikes was predatory to incarcerate more people. Most violent crime carries a long sentence even with one violation. Three strikes was a way to take three one-year sentences and turn them into life in prison or something. That's not really justice to me. Also, the only criminal in a non-violent drug transaction is the guy with the uniform and the gun intervening with the peaceful transaction between two willing participants.
Yeah, because we should all get our medication from a guy in a back alley. You act as though legalizing drugs is going to make it safer. I think you are always going to have a "black market". And then, someone is going to be cutting cost to make more money, so they add fillers to the drugs, and people die.

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Re: 3 strikes and you're out!

Post by Walla Walla Dawg II » Tue Mar 28, 2023 3:24 pm

Michael K. wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 3:00 pm
DanielVogelbach wrote:
Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:18 pm
I think three strikes was predatory to incarcerate more people. Most violent crime carries a long sentence even with one violation. Three strikes was a way to take three one-year sentences and turn them into life in prison or something. That's not really justice to me. Also, the only criminal in a non-violent drug transaction is the guy with the uniform and the gun intervening with the peaceful transaction between two willing participants.
Yeah, because we should all get our medication from a guy in a back alley. You act as though legalizing drugs is going to make it safer. I think you are always going to have a "black market". And then, someone is going to be cutting cost to make more money, so they add fillers to the drugs, and people die.
Thank you for saying it.

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Re: 3 strikes and you're out!

Post by DanielVogelbach » Sat Apr 01, 2023 8:06 pm

Michael K. wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 3:00 pm
DanielVogelbach wrote:
Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:18 pm
I think three strikes was predatory to incarcerate more people. Most violent crime carries a long sentence even with one violation. Three strikes was a way to take three one-year sentences and turn them into life in prison or something. That's not really justice to me. Also, the only criminal in a non-violent drug transaction is the guy with the uniform and the gun intervening with the peaceful transaction between two willing participants.
Yeah, because we should all get our medication from a guy in a back alley. You act as though legalizing drugs is going to make it safer. I think you are always going to have a "black market". And then, someone is going to be cutting cost to make more money, so they add fillers to the drugs, and people die.
Legalizing drugs is such an obvious move.

Legalizing drugs doesn't mean you get medication in a back alley?!?!?!? In a free market, you get your medication from wherever you want. You can read the label and know exactly what you're getting. This would drastically reduce overdose deaths. The deaths occur when a strong batch comes along. Junkies actually flock to the stuff reported to cause death, because they know that's the good stuff.

There will always be a black market aka free market for anything deemed "illegal". But, the goods become more expensive when there are billion dollar government agencies trying to throw the market participants into prison. Legalization is purely a government, statutory thing, because you already have the right to freely trade with other people whether that's trading rice for money or cows for cocaine. You also have a right to make these transactions without anyone taxing you. These rights come from God, not from politicians or some piece of paper.

With legalization, there would be far less violence involved with the whole meth/opioid/cocaine scenes. Massive amounts of taxpayer money would be saved if they're not funding the fruitless war on drugs and paying the cost of all the non-violent criminals in prison. All of this money could help families out, which promotes love and opportunity, which reduces the level of poverty, homelessness, drugs, violence, etc. Throwing everyone in jail for trading drugs solves nothing. It just forces us to go broke funding the war on drugs while new generations of junkies and dealers keep coming up and the problem continues to grow.

The most important reason why legalization is a no-brainer is because you can't morally use force to break up a peaceful transaction. If both the dealer and the seller want to make a transaction of goods or services, then you have no moral ground to interject. Since you have no moral right to interject between two peaceful people making a transaction, then you also don't have ability to delegate that right to someone else. The only criminal in a drug transaction is the guy that storms in with a gun and a badge claiming to have moral authority to forcefully disrupt the transaction and kidnap the participants.

You don't have to allow drug use or homeless people on your property. But, when it comes to what people are doing elsewhere, you can't morally use force against them. Force can only morally be used in self-defense or to punish a criminal. So, if you want to change what's going on out in "society", and do it morally, then you need to think about ways that you can get people to voluntarily act in ways that align with your vision. No matter how good you think your idea is, it's immoral to force it onto other people.

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