Gun Control is About Control, Not About Saving Lives

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Post by ddraig » Thu Apr 13, 2023 2:40 pm

If you follow the media narrative, the roughly 450 million guns in the U.S. should have killed every man, woman, child, and trans, this past year. Yet there are less than 50,000 deaths. That means 400 million guns DON'T kill people. Why not? Because most guns that kill people are stolen by bad people. If we had laws in the country that put people away longer for even holding a gun in the commission of a crime, say, a mandatory 10 years more with no parole, you would probably see a reduction in crime using a gun. But that's too easy and we must think about the criminal instead of the victim!

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Post by Cascade Kid » Thu Apr 13, 2023 3:33 pm

ddraig wrote:
Thu Apr 13, 2023 2:40 pm
If you follow the media narrative, the roughly 450 million guns in the U.S. should have killed every man, woman, child, and trans, this past year. Yet there are less than 50,000 deaths. That means 400 million guns DON'T kill people. Why not? Because most guns that kill people are stolen by bad people. If we had laws in the country that put people away longer for even holding a gun in the commission of a crime, say, a mandatory 10 years more with no parole, you would probably see a reduction in crime using a gun. But that's too easy and we must think about the criminal instead of the victim!
Exactly right ddraig! These political bodies are not even targeting the guns that have been used in 90% of gun deaths, yet they are trying to sell us on "assault rifle" gun bans. They are afraid that citizens have too much control and are simply undermining our ability to defend ourselves from a tyrannical government. And they always blame the guns. But if a knife, car, poison, or baseball bat are used in a murder they always blame the killer. They need to toughen up on revolving door criminals, drug criminals, violent criminals, burglary criminals, and stop using their own cause and effect of not properly prosecuting criminals as a gateway to infringe on our rights.

It's interesting to see HB1240 includes many things that are not even weapons such as suppressors. Suppressors are simply a way to knock around 30dB off of a rifle round that is producing round 160dB. It's not like they make them as silent as Hollywood makes them out to be. Most suppressors are used at the range to protect hearing and to mitigate the travel of noise in the area of the range. These are most often used in match shooting competitions. But because our politicians watch too much TV they believe a suppressor completely negates the sound of any gun.

They've also ban threaded barrels and muzzle brakes which have been used by hunters for nearly 100 years.

This unconstitutional bill is about to get signed between today or by next week. There will be 4 suits filed to place an emergency injunction on this bill. The State of Washington will lose in court at the cost of millions to the taxpayers just to gain more polorization with a deeper divide.

I encourage anyone that can qualify for a CPL permit and does not have one to go spend the small investment to get one. This is important as it shows the number of people these unconstitutional laws impact. Hundreds of thousands of residence have become licensed to carry just over the last year. This shows how important this has become.

https://www.dol.wa.gov/business/firearm ... alreq.html

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Post by ddraig » Thu Apr 13, 2023 5:09 pm

Any idea when this law will go into effect?

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Post by Walla Walla Dawg II » Fri Apr 14, 2023 1:05 pm

ddraig wrote:
Thu Apr 13, 2023 5:09 pm
Any idea when this law will go into effect?
Immediately upon signing!!
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Post by ddraig » Fri Apr 14, 2023 2:33 pm

Yeah, that's what I heard but couldn't believe they didn't give a "waiting period" like they did with 21-round magazines. If you don't already have your 10-Day waiting period completed in the next day or two, you can't even get a .22. Even though you are in the "pipeline," and you've already paid your money, the shop owners can't give you your gun without breaking the law. I wonder how long it will take to declare the law unconstitutional?

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Post by Cascade Kid » Fri Apr 14, 2023 2:47 pm

ddraig wrote:
Fri Apr 14, 2023 2:33 pm
Yeah, if you don't already have your 10-Day waiting period completed in the next day or two, you can't even get a .22. Even though you are in the "pipeline," and you've already paid your money, the shop owners can't give you your gun without breaking the law. I wonder how long it will take to declare the law unconstitutional?
The Bill alway is defying a federal decision on Heller. Also Judge Benitez in the US 9th district court (same district that includes WA) is about to make a ruling on California's ban any day now which will go in favor of gun rights. Washington did a cut and paste job on California's bill, so any ruling by Benitez will have a direct effect on Washington's HB1240.

Furthermore, the moment when Insleez signs the bill around 4 law suits will be filed and all will request an emergency injunction. And emergency injunction only takes a few days to go into affect. An emergency injunction can be authorized if there's evidence that the subject in question is creating irreputable harm, so in this case an emergency injunction does qualify.

Once Judge Benitez submits his ruling it will be game over on this bill as well as the "high capacity" magizine ban already in place.

Our legislators will be spending millions of our dollars to keep fighting this decision so they can systematically dismantle our Bill of Rights.

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Post by ddraig » Sat Apr 15, 2023 6:59 pm

I hope you are correct. I'm looking for a .22 to keep that invading army of gophers off my property and go to the neighbors, nearly a mile away. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by Cascade Kid » Sat Apr 15, 2023 7:36 pm

ddraig wrote:
Sat Apr 15, 2023 6:59 pm
I hope you are correct. I'm looking for a .22 to keep that invading army of gophers off my property and go to the neighbors, nearly a mile away. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
As long as it doesn't have a threaded barrel or a thumb grip stock or a standard "high capacity" magizine you'll be good. Get yourself a Henry lever action. Very reliable and fun shooter.

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Post by Cascade Kid » Sat Apr 15, 2023 7:46 pm

Bill HB1240 is slightly delayed. The House sent it back the Senate to remove a provision the Senate added regarding allowing and acception for Veterans that are discharging or retiring from active duty and relocating to Washington to bring guns that are described under the ban. Apparently the House did not care for this amended language. The language will likely be removed today or Monday and sent back to the House. Assuming the Senate will not stall this Bill by not removing the provision, the Bill should hit the Commrade Chairman's desk sometime between Wednesday and Friday next week.

If the Senate refuses to remove the language, which is doubtful, this would force the House to either pass it with the language or kill the Bill.

So get out there and buy your completed uppers and lowers, buy your suppressors, muzzle brakes, and flash hiders, your threaded barrels, or the shotgun with a finger hole through the stock now if you have any of these on your wish list. If you are considering a folding stock or chassis you better get one of these now too. It is likely too late to buy a pistol with a threaded barrel or any pistol that has a component black listed on the Bill.

But keep in mind, a compete AR upper and complete AR lower are classified as accesories and not guns, so a quick background check will get you home with what you need to easily assemble your own AR platform.

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Post by ddraig » Sun Apr 16, 2023 4:30 pm

Or get a gun shop to assemble it for you.

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