Thou Shalt Not Kill

[DanielVogelbach]

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[ddraig]

This has been a question for centuries. One of the rules of a "Just War" is if you are defending yourself. How many Israelis must be killed by terrorists before you decide "enough is enough?"

[DanielVogelbach]

This has been a question for centuries. One of the rules of a "Just War" is if you are defending yourself. How many Israelis must be killed by terrorists before you decide "enough is enough?"

You can't get caught up in the propaganda of war. BTW, USA and Israel are both terrorist organizations. You attack them by not following their orders.

[Mel Bradford]

ddraig has the 'just war' policy right. That it is defensive in nature. The argument goes back to the writings of St Augustine.

[DanielVogelbach]

ddraig has the 'just war' policy right. That it is defensive in nature. The argument goes back to the writings of St Augustine.

Statism is immoral by default, so you can't classify the actions as self-defense. Self defense is, of course, the only moral use of force. Statism is brought into existence by immoral use of force, and LOTS of propaganda. A person can be tricked into committing immoral murder for hire under the guise of "fighting for their country". They can be tricked into believing taxation is not theft.

The propaganda of war should be dealt with the highest form of punishment - DEATH, because it's the propaganda that enables the whole thing.

The "enemy" is fabricated, because that's what's necessary to control the population. Fear is an essential ingredient. And, each "country" can play the other members of the one world system against each other. Very convenient. Who are we supposed to fear today? The Russians, the Chinese, the Muslims? It's all one world system of control operated by evil geniuses.

[ddraig]

So Dan, you are saying the Israelis must desist from destroying Hamas and they should continue to take dead citizenry until they are wiped off the face of the earth. That, to me smacks as propaganda. If your neighbor comes over to your house every day and smacks you in the face, you should let him do it? That is what you are proposing.

And we should not have dropped a bomb on Japan but just starved the Japanese people to death? Or we should have stopped on the Rhine River because we did not have to take out Hitler and the Nazi party? That is pretty much what you are proposing.

My take on the Israeli/Hamas war is that after thousands of dead civilians over the past 60 years, Israel has justly decided it has had enough. I feel sorry for the "refugees," but they should be allowed to leave and Hamas is preventing them. So who is at fault? Israel or Hamas?

[bpj]

So Dan, you are saying the Israelis must desist from destroying Hamas and they should continue to take dead citizenry until they are wiped off the face of the earth. That, to me smacks as propaganda. If your neighbor comes over to your house every day and smacks you in the face, you should let him do it? That is what you are proposing.

And we should not have dropped a bomb on Japan but just starved the Japanese people to death? Or we should have stopped on the Rhine River because we did not have to take out Hitler and the Nazi party? That is pretty much what you are proposing.

My take on the Israeli/Hamas war is that after thousands of dead civilians over the past 60 years, Israel has justly decided it has had enough. I feel sorry for the "refugees," but they should be allowed to leave and Hamas is preventing them. So who is at fault? Israel or Hamas?

Still Israel.

Israel has ~10,000 Palestinian hostages in their prisons. Hamas took 250. That's why Israel had to release 3 hostages to every 1 held by Hamas.

It's almost amusing watching you continue to act like Israel is the victim.

They're the illegal occupiers and the aggressors.

**note these are all from pre-October 7th:

[bpj]

Stop stealing their houses and land and Palestinians would stop hating them.

They're not talking about "Israel", they're saying, stop stealing their houses in West Bank. The settlers show up with guns and force the defenseless Palestinians out of their homes. They just take it over.

That's what 700,000 settlers in West Bank in that UN report is talking about. The Palestinians live under martial law in their own territory. Of course the occupied hates the occupier.

From Hamas:
https://twitter.com/AiToolsUpdate_/stat ... A1Ebw&s=19

This chart from The Economist shows how hollow your claims of "all the Israelis killed by Palestinians" is:

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detai ... since-1987

[Cascade Kid]

God is not against killing in all circumstances, but only murder. War is never a good thing, but sometimes it is a necessary thing. In a world filled with sinful people (Romans 3:10-18), war is inevitable. Sometimes the only way to keep sinful people from doing great harm to the innocent is by going to war.

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https://www.gotquestions.org/war-Bible.html

[bpj]

God is not against killing in all circumstances, but only murder. War is never a good thing, but sometimes it is a necessary thing. In a world filled with sinful people (Romans 3:10-18), war is inevitable. Sometimes the only way to keep sinful people from doing great harm to the innocent is by going to war.

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https://www.gotquestions.org/war-Bible.html

Agreed, somebody needs to stop sinful people from doing great harm to the innocent Palestinians.

Fortunately Israel is being tried for genocide in International Court of Justice right now, so hopefully it somehow leads to peace.

https://twitter.com/stairwayto3dom/stat ... hIZJQ&s=19


Ironically, Romans 3 is talking about how the Jews aren't special. How the path to being saved is faith in Jesus Christ, which, the religious Jews most assuredly do not have. Subtle reminder that Jews and Christians are not on the same team.

Here is what Jesus had to say about Jews who didn't believe, John 8:39-44:

39 “Abraham is our father,” they answered.

“If you were Abraham’s children,” said Jesus, “then you would[c] do what Abraham did. 40 As it is, you are looking for a way to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things. 41 You are doing the works of your own father.”

“We are not illegitimate children,” they protested. “The only Father we have is God himself.”

42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me. 43 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. 44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.