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Re: Offseason Plans

Post by D-train » Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:36 pm

Captain 97 wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:32 pm
D-train wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:11 pm
Captain 97 wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 5:49 pm


I am pretty sure he meant a replacement as far as a face of the franchise player
Face of the Franchise? So the three Cleveland Icons: LeBron James, Baker Mayfield and Jose Ramirez. lol
Ramirez has 34.3 Career WAR for the Indians and has been in the top 3 in MVP voting 3 times. The only Indians in the last 50 years with more WAR than Ramirez are Jim Thome and Kenny Lofton. IF we had a player like him here in Seattle we would be putting up statues and naming Streets after him.
Seager put up 37 WAR for us. Maybe they are working on his statue now.

He is a great player but I bet if you asked 1000 people in Cleveland who Jose Ramirez is, probably 900 of them would guess its their neighbor's landscaper.
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Re: Offseason Plans

Post by SeattleSportsRUs » Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:40 pm

Captain 97 wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 5:47 pm
SeattleSportsRUs wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 5:35 pm
Captain 97 wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 5:13 pm


The A's went for it this year. They picked up players at the deadline because they knew this was going to be their best shot.
They are losing Marte, Canha, Gomes, Petit, Romo, Lowrie, Moreland, Harrison, Fiers and Davis to Free agency. They have no ability to replace those guys in free agency because the guys that they have left are getting expensive. Olson, Chapman, Manaea, Bassitt, Laureano, Montas, Trivino, Pinder, Kemp, and Guerra are all in arbitration and they are predicted to get around 60 Million combined for the coming season. Add that to the 25 Million that they owe to Andrus, Piscotty and Diekman and the payroll will be about the same as it was this year before they even look at replacing those free agent losses. I don't think there is any way they compete in the next couple of years and they know it. I think they will blow it all up and do another of their rebuilds.
The A's were arguably just as good a team if not better before they traded for Marte, Harrison and Gomes. They had a lot of injuries that hamstringed them going into their playoff run. Moreland had a .701 OPS, Gomes .631, Lowrie .717 and Davis was a late addition after the Rangers dropped him. Sergio Romo is 400 years old, Petit throws 90 MPH. Fiers pitched 2 games for them in 2021 with an ERA above 7 and he was a dumpster dive addition when they grabbed him.

Olson, Chapman, Manaea, Bassitt, Laureano, Montas, Trivino, Pinder, Kemp, and Guerra is still a great, young core and the A's will dumpster dive yet again to compete. There's no reason to think they wont - they always land guys nobody want who then turn around and overperform.
So you think they are just going to replace 10 guys by bringing up players from AAA or giving out minimum salary deals and be able to have a better record than they did this year?
They have the 26th rated farm system in baseball. They have no one to call up.
Unless they wan't to increase their payroll to the 100 milion range (which they have never done) they have no money to spend even on 3-4 million dollar type guys. I just don't see how its possible.
I think they will do what they have done consistently for this entire century and restock their farm system through trades.
Yes I do. Even with the arb money increase (which of course they've budgeted for), they're still going to shed around $12 million in payroll getting rid of the dead weight in a few guys. They can use that money to go out and sign guys to replace them for just as cheap - they have to hope the players they sign are hits, but more times than not they have been. The big sell-off should happen before the 2023 when the guys they have are going to get REALLY expensive. That said, that might even be the case if by then they're the Las Vegas A's.

Lineup - they need to replace 3.2 WAR in 4 position players, easily done lol.

DH - Mitch Moreland - 0.0 WAR
1B - Matt Olson - 5.8 WAR
2B - Jed Lowrie - 0.1 WAR
SS - Elvis Andrus - 0.6 WAR
(I'd bring up Nick Allen and get rid of Andrus ASAP)
3B - Matt Chapman - 3.5 WAR
LF - Mark Canha - 2.5 WAR
CF - Ramon Laureano - 2.5 WAR
RF - Seth Brown - 1.4 WAR
C - Sean Murphy - 2.7 WAR

They don't need to do a thing to their starting pitching staff - maybe sign a 6th starter, but you can do way worse than what they've got.

1. Frankie Mantas - 3.6 WAR
2. Chris Bassit - 3.9 WAR
3. Sean Manea - 3.4 WAR
4. Cole Irvin - 1.5 WAR
5. James Kaprielan - 1.4 WAR

Bullpen - they need to replace 0.6 WAR here, easily done.

Lou Trevino - 1.2 WAR
Yusmeirio Petit - 0.8 WAR
Deolis Guerra - 0.2 WAR
Sergio Romo - 0.1 WAR
Jake Diekman - 0.4 WAR
Burch Smith - -0.2 WAR
Andrew Chafin - 2.9 WAR
JB Wendelken - 0.2 WAR
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Re: Offseason Plans

Post by Hasslecracked » Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:40 pm

You guys think there’s any chance the Royals would discuss Sal Perez in a trade?

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Re: Offseason Plans

Post by SeattleSportsRUs » Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:47 pm

Captain 97 wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:16 pm
SeattleSportsRUs wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:09 pm
Captain 97 wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 5:57 pm


He will get 12 million and 14 million for the next two seasons how is that not cheap for a 6.7 WAR player?
I think your delusional and if you make that offer you get laughed out of the building.
Ridiculous.

They traded Francisco Lindor (who put up 12+ WAR in 2018 and 2019) for only 1 top-100 prospect - no. 64 Andres Giminez, a graduated, JP Crawford type player in Amed Rosario, a nobody 18-year-old reliever in Josh Wolf, and a nobody 19-year-old OF in Isaiah Greene.

Marte and Hancock + Toro would be LEAGUES above that trade. 1 extra year doesn't change that.
Seriously? Lindor only had 1 year remaining for $22.3 Million and was coming off a year with a .750 OPS. His War for 2020 if projected out to 162 games would have been 3.5. Ramirez has 2 years remaining for $26 million and has a .893 OPS with a 6.7 WAR. Ramirez is twice the player at half the cost for twice as long . He will return waaaaay more than Lindor did in a trade.
A 60-game stint where he hit for a .750 OPS where nobody believed he was actually falling off and he still carried tremendous value.

1 extra year of Ramirez and $8 million less does not constitute the massive difference in a trade for no. 64 Andres Giminez, a light-hitting defensive SS, and 2x nobody prospects. And you don't even think a Marte and Hancock (no. 11 and 34 overall) trade is that impressive... that's insane. The gap between those 2 trades is about the same as the distance between St. Petersburg Russia and my house.

You thinking ANY deal that includes Marte for Ramirez isn't enough is discounting Marte lol.
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Re: Offseason Plans

Post by D-train » Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:53 pm

Hasslecracked wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:40 pm
You guys think there’s any chance the Royals would discuss Sal Perez in a trade?
No.
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Re: Offseason Plans

Post by desbcoach » Mon Oct 04, 2021 8:37 pm

D-train wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 4:57 pm
Trade JK and Hancock and Toro for JRam, Sign Semien, Sign Schwarber, Sign Gausman, teach Torrens how to catch.

Semien 2B
France 1B
JRam 3B
Haniger DH/RF
Schwarber LF/DH
JRod RF
Lewis CF
Torrens/Cal C
Crawford SS

Bench
Walton
Fraley

Gausman
Gilbert
Marco
Flexen
Brash

Sadler
Steck
Sewald
Ramirez
Giles
Munoz
Swanson
Mis
Castillo
I realize all these trade talks are banter but realistically any trade that send 3 of Dipoto top guys away like Brash, Hancock, JK or so forth I will eat much humble pie and crow without hiding when it happens. Just don’t see it going down

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Re: Offseason Plans

Post by SeattleSportsRUs » Mon Oct 04, 2021 9:10 pm

I swear man, some people think our contending team is literally going to be:

1B - Ty France
2B - Abe Toro
SS - JP Crawford
3B - Noelvi Marte
LF - Jarred Kelenic
CF - Kyle Lewis
RF - Julio Rodriguez
C - Cal Raleigh
DH - Taylor Trammel

B - Zach Deloach, Kaden Polcovich

SP

1. George Kirby
2. Logan Gilbert
3. Brandon Williamson
4. Emerson Hancock
5. Marco Gonzales

BP

Matt Brash
Juan Then
Connor Phillips
Levi Stoudt
Isaiah Campbell
Adam Macko
Andres Munoz

Question is, which current M's prospect do we convert to backup catcher since every top prospect we carry is going to be an All Star and not tradeable? Oh wait, I got it! Evan White!

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Re: Offseason Plans

Post by D-train » Mon Oct 04, 2021 9:59 pm

desbcoach wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 8:37 pm
D-train wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 4:57 pm
Trade JK and Hancock and Toro for JRam, Sign Semien, Sign Schwarber, Sign Gausman, teach Torrens how to catch.

Semien 2B
France 1B
JRam 3B
Haniger DH/RF
Schwarber LF/DH
JRod RF
Lewis CF
Torrens/Cal C
Crawford SS

Bench
Walton
Fraley

Gausman
Gilbert
Marco
Flexen
Brash

Sadler
Steck
Sewald
Ramirez
Giles
Munoz
Swanson
Mis
Castillo
I realize all these trade talks are banter but realistically any trade that send 3 of Dipoto top guys away like Brash, Hancock, JK or so forth I will eat much humble pie and crow without hiding when it happens. Just don’t see it going down
I don't either. That's my plan. I bet he doesn't do jack shit.
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Re: Offseason Plans

Post by D-train » Mon Oct 04, 2021 10:00 pm

SeattleSportsRUs wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 9:10 pm
I swear man, some people think our contending team is literally going to be:

1B - Ty France
2B - Abe Toro
SS - JP Crawford
3B - Noelvi Marte
LF - Jarred Kelenic
CF - Kyle Lewis
RF - Julio Rodriguez
C - Cal Raleigh
DH - Taylor Trammel

B - Zach Deloach, Kaden Polcovich

SP

1. George Kirby
2. Logan Gilbert
3. Brandon Williamson
4. Emerson Hancock
5. Marco Gonzales

BP

Matt Brash
Juan Then
Connor Phillips
Levi Stoudt
Isaiah Campbell
Adam Macko
Andres Munoz

Question is, which current M's prospect do we convert to backup catcher since every top prospect we carry is going to be an All Star and not tradeable? Oh wait, I got it! Evan White!
Unfortunately I think one of the "some people" that you mention is JD. lol
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Re: Offseason Plans

Post by GL_Storm » Mon Oct 04, 2021 10:07 pm

D-train wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:53 pm
Hasslecracked wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:40 pm
You guys think there’s any chance the Royals would discuss Sal Perez in a trade?
No.
I don't follow them really, but it seems like they don't trade their players that much. Not a wheeler-dealer type team, but more about keeping what they have.

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