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Re: Offseason Plans

Post by D-train » Mon Oct 11, 2021 3:05 pm

Donn Beach wrote:
Mon Oct 11, 2021 2:58 pm
so we buy high on Semien because he happened to have a plus season prior to his contract expiring?
Tied for the 3rd best season in baseball in 2021. That's a little better than plus. He won't get a mega deal due to age and inconsistency so he could be a bargain in that sense if he puts up the 4-5 WAR he has averaged since 2018 (excluding the short 2020 season) And that elite D is unlikely to slump.

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Re: Offseason Plans

Post by Donn Beach » Mon Oct 11, 2021 3:11 pm

that is what Conforto did before this season, is it more likely Conforto's 2021 is more representative of future performance than Semian's?
In 467 games during that stretch, Conforto slashed .265/.369/.495 (.864 OPS) with 162-game averages of 34 home runs and 95 RBI. A shortened 2020 season offered even more promise when he posted a .927 OPS with nine home runs and 31 RBI in 54 games.

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Re: Offseason Plans

Post by D-train » Mon Oct 11, 2021 3:17 pm

Here is one take:
Michael Conforto
Another guy who had an outstanding 2020 season and has taken a massive step back in 2021 is Michael Conforto. If Dom Smith wasn’t the team’s MVP in 2020, it was Conforto. He slashed .322/.412/.515 with nine home runs and 31 RBI. He was using the opposite field a lot and looked like the star he was projected to be. I believe a big reason why 2021 has been such a down year for Conforto is his pull rate. It shot up from 27.6% in 2020 to 43% this season. With teams shifting now more than ever, Conforto is finding gloves more than open space by not using the opposite field.


His hard-hit percentage has actually gotten higher this year according to baseball savant so he really is just hitting balls at people.

While he has looked better lately and did miss a lot of time due to injury, a slash line of .225/.339/.367 is not what we are used to from Conforto.

Another part of Conforto’s game that has taken a turn for the worst is his production against left-handed pitching. This was something Conforto struggled with prior to his outstanding 2020 but then was turned around that season, slashing .284/.384/.486 in 74 at-bats against southpaws. This season, however, he has reverted back to his old form slashing .190/.324/.207 with just two doubles and zero home runs against southpaws.

In the second half of the season Conforto has put up an OPS+ of 106 so I do believe he’s getting back to the player we expect him to be. While he’s gotten better, there’s an obvious cause for concern heading into his free agency. I do expect him to get back to the Conforto we all know but have no idea if that will be in a Mets uniform or not.
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Re: Offseason Plans

Post by D-train » Mon Oct 11, 2021 3:20 pm

Ok his last 74 games he was .256/.815 so I am more open to it but he can't be our top add. Wouldn't be surprised if he is though.
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Re: Offseason Plans

Post by GL_Storm » Mon Oct 11, 2021 4:48 pm

D-train wrote:
Mon Oct 11, 2021 2:44 pm
I just don't think we need to be fucking around trying to buy low or go after guys because they were born within 50 miles of our ballpark. If he is the third best FA we sign, then fine but there is a reason he had a shitty year and there is a good chance that reason still exists in 2022.
I'm not too excited about Conforto either. You just wonder what's going on with that bat.

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Re: Offseason Plans

Post by SeattleSportsRUs » Mon Oct 11, 2021 5:32 pm

GL_Storm wrote:
Mon Oct 11, 2021 4:48 pm
D-train wrote:
Mon Oct 11, 2021 2:44 pm
I just don't think we need to be fucking around trying to buy low or go after guys because they were born within 50 miles of our ballpark. If he is the third best FA we sign, then fine but there is a reason he had a shitty year and there is a good chance that reason still exists in 2022.
I'm not too excited about Conforto either. You just wonder what's going on with that bat.
Carlos Correa is going to get an 8 to 10 year contract around $300 million. He has a career OPS+ of 127. He had a .709 OPS in 2020 and a .728 OPS in 2018. Yet everyone here wants him.

Conforto has a career OPS+ of 124. He had a .729 OPS in 2021 and a .725 OPS in 2015. He's going to get a prove-it deal and people are "meh" on him.

Thing is, they're basically worth the exact same as a hitter, Correa just hit far better in a contract year while Conforto had a down year at an inopportune time.

If signing Conforto and trading someone like Lewis in a package for JRam is the move, you could do WAY worse.

The thing I like about Conforto is he is an OBP maniac in his best years - .384 in 2017 and .412 in 2020. Even when he's had a rough go he's typically around .340. His .344 OBP in 2021 would have put him 2nd on the Mariners for players who played at least 100 games- that's how sad our offense was :lol:

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Re: Offseason Plans

Post by D-train » Mon Oct 11, 2021 5:47 pm

So sounds like we should have drafted Conforto instead of Hultzen. I guess this is our second chance.
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Re: Offseason Plans

Post by SeattleSportsRUs » Mon Oct 11, 2021 5:55 pm

D-train wrote:
Mon Oct 11, 2021 5:47 pm
So sounds like we should have drafted Conforto instead of Hultzen. I guess this is our second chance.
I don't know if he should be a high priority get or not.

But he's more likely to rebound and have an OPS in the mid-to-high .800's than he is to stay around the low .700's - just on history alone.

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Re: Offseason Plans

Post by D-train » Mon Oct 11, 2021 6:02 pm

SeattleSportsRUs wrote:
Mon Oct 11, 2021 5:55 pm
D-train wrote:
Mon Oct 11, 2021 5:47 pm
So sounds like we should have drafted Conforto instead of Hultzen. I guess this is our second chance.
I don't know if he should be a high priority get or not.

But he's more likely to rebound and have an OPS in the mid-to-high .800's than he is to stay around the low .700's - just on history alone.
Yeah, like I posted, his last 74 games, he had an .815 OPS. That would have lead our team as well.

Brock is out with a piece saying there is a good chance Julio is on the OD roster so their wouldn't be room for him in that case unless he is a DH and part time OFer.
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Re: Offseason Plans

Post by SeattleSportsRUs » Mon Oct 11, 2021 6:08 pm

D-train wrote:
Mon Oct 11, 2021 6:02 pm
SeattleSportsRUs wrote:
Mon Oct 11, 2021 5:55 pm
D-train wrote:
Mon Oct 11, 2021 5:47 pm
So sounds like we should have drafted Conforto instead of Hultzen. I guess this is our second chance.
I don't know if he should be a high priority get or not.

But he's more likely to rebound and have an OPS in the mid-to-high .800's than he is to stay around the low .700's - just on history alone.
Yeah, like I posted, his last 74 games, he had an .815 OPS. That would have lead our team as well.

Brock is out with a piece saying there is a good chance Julio is on the OD roster so their wouldn't be room for him in that case unless he is a DH and part time OFer.
I think any trade for a major piece has to include one of our young outfielders. That would clear space for a F/A signing and Jerry indicated they will be looking for an OF piece in free agency.

The MLB trade site raised Marco's trade value from negative 5 to a positive 2.2 after I bitched at them. Some website :lol:

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