Covid-19

[seattlefan-daBronx]

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[seattlefan-daBronx]

https://openvaers.com/

420,040 Deaths
20,004,540 Injuries
713,000 Permanent Disabilities
68,700 Miscarriages
212,800 Heart Attacks
2,212,180 Hospitalizations
2,184,900 Urgent Care
3,129,120 Doctor Office Visits
173,460 Anaphylaxis
250,640 Bell’s Palsy
442,340 Myocarditis / Pericarditis
100,220 Thrombocytopenia
477,840 Life Threatening
729,840 Sever Allergic Reaction
229,240 Shingles

[seattlefan-daBronx]

Interesting take....

https://realrawnews.com/2021/12/militar ... -comments/#

We we're talking earlier in here about Trump's base.

[Sibelius Hindemith]

Interesting take....

https://realrawnews.com/2021/12/militar ... -comments/#

We we're talking earlier in here about Trump's base.

Uh, i wouldn't take that article too seriously given that the author also wrote an article titled "Gavin Newsom gets death penalty" and another titled "Dick Cheney arrested".

[seattlefan-daBronx]

Interesting take....

https://realrawnews.com/2021/12/militar ... -comments/#

We we're talking earlier in here about Trump's base.

Uh, i wouldn't take that article too seriously given that the author also wrote an article titled "Gavin Newsom gets death penalty" and another titled "Dick Cheney arrested".

Yeah I don't follow the site. It's an opinion piece really.

[D-train]

[ddraig]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tqdOwOxY3s

[ddraig]

And another one bites the dust.

Whoopi Goldberg Off ‘The View’ After Testing Positive for COVID-19.

[gil]

Anti-vax is not really a thing. it is a media spin. while there are obviously a tiny contingent that are - let me tell you my experience. I bike all over LA - I have seen it all - I have stumbled on several legitimate protests here in LA in the last few months (Hollywood, Beverly Hills, Santa Monica, and DTLA) - not one mentioned anti vax - that is the spin the media (who is completely funded by big pharma) puts on it - every single person I saw and sign I read was anti MANDATE. Every. Single One. I live in the bluest area possible - the looney left, if you will - and there were a TON of 'looney leftists' carrying anti MANDATE signs. There was one in DTLA that was almost 1,000 folks - ALL the signs were anti mandate and the news coverage was literally calling it an anti-vax riot - while you could literally see they were all ANTI MANDATE signs.

Anti vaxxers is a medias manufactured narrative to distract you from the reality that this is all anti-mandate - NOT anti vax. Why? Because big pharma is their largest source of revenue.

Another case in point. A CNN-addicted friend of mine was going off about "anti vaxxers rioting at Cedars Sanai hospital" here in BH - he saw it on the news. I saw video of it - it was no riot - it was literally Cedars doctors and nurses protesting the mandate, but the news was spinning it into "Trumpsters/anti-vaxxers 'rioting'.

Nearly everyone in this country has been vaccinated for the most basic stuff - obviously no one is against vaccines. The COVID shot, and I don't know how many times this needs to be pointed out - is NOT A VACCINE. It is an mrna gene modifier. So, even doing the most elementary linear logic here - how could anyone be an 'anti-vaxxer' against something that is literally not a vaccine?

When the dust settles on this it will be revealed for what it is - the greatest pharmaceutical money grab in our history. Big pharma is the largest advertiser in the US - meaning they control the legend media - along with twitter and facebook. Have you not noticed those exact entities literally censor anything that goes against big pharma narratives? Who is enforcing this nonsense? Politicians funded by big pharma.

This should be obvious to everyone by now. I have found that the only ones not getting this, are the ones consuming legend media. Do the math. Go watch/listen to the Doctors on Joe Rogan (he is NOT sponsored by anyone) if you want actual information and dialogue.

It's about being ANTI MANDATE - not anti vax. Anyone not realizing that by now is being willfully ignorant. Anyone else know that besides the US - ONLY New Zealand allows pharma advertising? They control the media and the politicians. Follow the money, it never lies.

Thanks, I really appreciate your perspective on this. But I used to think "anti-vax" was really but was mostly leftists, such as RFK Jr. And, for what it's worth, my chiropractor. Don't people who currently oppose the mandates do so on the basis of the harm or potential harm? Don't people who voluntarily choose not to get vaccinated do so because they would rather risk covid than risk the vaccine?

Interesting thing I saw is that Republicans and Democrats were equally likely to get a flu shot as of early 2020 (i.e., before the COVID vaccine became political). Democrats are now 25% more likely than Republicans to get the flu shot. Ds went up 10-15% and Rs went down 10-15%. Seems a lot like cognitive dissonance reduction to me.

No, its personal preference. And the government has no right to force you to do something you don't want to do. Whatever happened to "My body, my choice."?

Are you saying that the far left feminist pro-abortion crowd was correct?

[gil]

If the vax prevented spread and infection then the premise that those that refused it exacerbated the pandemic would be 100% accurate, but now that theory has been completely eviscerated. The only person you MIGHT be helping is yourself due to more mild to moderate disease if infected.

And that is coming from someone coming up on a quarter century in the Bio Pharma industry.

If I understand what you are saying, you don't think that infections are lower among the vaccinated? From what I read, the vaccine is certainly not 100% effective, but it's more than zero.

I read this Seattle times article the other day https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-wor ... ctors-say/ which reported 37% of new infections in Massachusetts as being among vaccinated people. With 74% of people in the Commonwealth being vaccinated, my quick calculation says that vaccinated people are approx. 1/5 as likely to get infected. Is this wrong?

I think it may have been true with the original and Delta variants but we have had massive out breaks on Sports teams with 95%-100% vax rates which tells me it offers close to zero protection.

I know. But anecdotal evidence doesn't convince me that there is NO effect of vaccines on spread. I'm waiting for statistics on omicron, so I'm keeping an open mind. But what you said echoes a lot of what "some people" have been saying all along (when the earlier variants were dominant): i.e., because people can still be infected and spread the virus after vaccination and/or wearing a mask, there is no reason to do these things.