Mariners minors. Thread for interesting news and stats.

[D-train]

Yeah, his job is not to get as low of an ERA as possible, is to learn and grow. He needs a big offseason and to gain some Velocity of he wants a chance, but I'm not worried about results from a 19 year old in his first mlb season. Let's revisit him next season.

Twitter is down so I can't post Churchill's tweet but he basically listed most of the recent draft picks and said they would all be MLB plays. I have no idea what he is learning or working on but how in the F do you look at a 20 year old in LOW A with a 5.47 ERA and a 1.63 WHIP and think he is a lock for the big leagues. He could have a 2.47 ERA and .62 WHIP and still wouldn't be a LOCK for the big leagues. That is the simple point I was making. Nothing more, nothing less.

He said he looks like a guy that will be in MLB. Again, don't get too fixated on stats. Let the players development go at the pace it's going at. And again, it will sort itself out with time, so who cares.

He said he looks like a guy that will be in MLB.

Based on what exactly? Because he is a good looking kid with long arms and a hot girlfriend. I highly doubt that $27k in annual revenues generates from his Podcast empire allows for a travel budget to fund multiple trips to California to watch him pitch.

Again, don't get too fixated on stats.

There are literally hundreds of stats posted on this thread, many of them by you. Are we only allowed to post good stats?? Perhaps you should have noted in the OP the rules of the thread regarding not being able to discuss any prospects that are struggling. Or if we do we have say, "they must be working on something or they are developing at their own pace, or development isn't linear.

Believe it or not it is actually very relevant discussion because if he was pitching lights out be would get promoted and be on track to make the team in 2024 and now it looks more like 2025 or 2026. That informs future roster construction discussions as opposed just doing it to bash a guy.

Let the players development go at the pace it's going at.

Wow, I didn't realize our posts were impacting their development. Are their friends and family on the forum and relaying the info to them?

And again, it will sort itself out with time, so who cares.

If we don't care about the prospects then what exactly is the point of this thread?????

[D-train]

By TJ Cotterill on September 1, 2021

If so many other clubs were spooked from spending a top draft pick on a Pennsylvania high school pitcher with slipping velocity, why weren’t the Mariners?

Maybe because, as hesitant as Mariners scouting director Scott Hunter was to share this publicly, righthander and former Vanderbilt commit Michael Morales bears a striking resemblance to a past Commodores recruit.

“I don’t want to put this much pressure on him,” Hunter began, “but there are some comparisons from our guys that this is what Walker Buehler looked like in high school—an 88-92 (mph) guy with a ton of strikes, can really spin a breaking ball.

"And if you dream on the athleticism and projection, we believe the velocity will either come back or come even better as he gets into our high-performance program.”

Hunter wasn’t wrong to point out their prospect development program, with Logan Gilbert making his big league debut this year and tantalizing arms George Kirby, Emerson Hancock, Brandon Williamson, Matt Brash and Levi Stoudt seemingly well on their way.

That depth of arms was also in part why the Mariners felt they could be more aggressive in seeking Morales to lead the next wave. Seattle drafted him from East Pennsboro High in Enola, Pa., in the third round.

What stood out equally about the 6-foot-2, 205-pound righthander was his mature understanding of pitching.

Hunter said the 19-year-old serenaded the Mariners staff with his in-depth analysis of pitch shapes, pitch design, spin rates and overload as if he worked for the Seattle-based Driveline Baseball facility.

What about the declining velocity? Morales topped out at 95 mph and sat 92-93 last summer, but this year he dipped to 88-90. The Mariners believe it had to do with Covid outbreaks and the Pennsylvania cold, but Morales didn’t seem too anxious about it.

“One thing with me is we never really chased the velocity,” Morales said. “We always kind of chase more of understanding the body.

“(The Mariners) like the plan I have in place. They like that I’m a student of the game. They like that I’m pretty well-versed to what goes on on the throwing end.”

[Donn Beach]

Interesting, they are probably more interested in his spin rate than his era. So where does his velocity sit now?

[D-train]

Interesting, they are probably more interested in his spin rate than his era. So where does his velocity sit now?

I am guessing it didn't recover or his WHIP would be lower than 1.62 facing 18-20 year olds. Maybe you can find it?

[D-train]

Look it is still possible the kid could make the HOF one. But there is no way anyone can say that RIGHT NOW anyone can say he looks like a future big leaguer.

[Donn Beach]

Another article about him before the draft, nothing really new, but he does seem like an interesting guy

https://baseballprospectjournal.com/mic ... kills/amp/

[D-train]

Another article about him before the draft, nothing really new, but he does seem like an interesting guy

https://baseballprospectjournal.com/mic ... kills/amp/

He does but I would prefer another Mr. Boring with an ERA in the 2s and a WHIP below 1.0

[Juliooooo]

Twitter is down so I can't post Churchill's tweet but he basically listed most of the recent draft picks and said they would all be MLB plays. I have no idea what he is learning or working on but how in the F do you look at a 20 year old in LOW A with a 5.47 ERA and a 1.63 WHIP and think he is a lock for the big leagues. He could have a 2.47 ERA and .62 WHIP and still wouldn't be a LOCK for the big leagues. That is the simple point I was making. Nothing more, nothing less.

He said he looks like a guy that will be in MLB. Again, don't get too fixated on stats. Let the players development go at the pace it's going at. And again, it will sort itself out with time, so who cares.

He said he looks like a guy that will be in MLB.

Based on what exactly? Because he is a good looking kid with long arms and a hot girlfriend. I highly doubt that $27k in annual revenues generates from his Podcast empire allows for a travel budget to fund multiple trips to California to watch him pitch.

Again, don't get too fixated on stats.

There are literally hundreds of stats posted on this thread, many of them by you. Are we only allowed to post good stats?? Perhaps you should have noted in the OP the rules of the thread regarding not being able to discuss any prospects that are struggling. Or if we do we have say, "they must be working on something or they are developing at their own pace, or development isn't linear.

Believe it or not it is actually very relevant discussion because if he was pitching lights out be would get promoted and be on track to make the team in 2024 and now it looks more like 2025 or 2026. That informs future roster construction discussions as opposed just doing it to bash a guy.

Let the players development go at the pace it's going at.

Wow, I didn't realize our posts were impacting their development. Are their friends and family on the forum and relaying the info to them?

And again, it will sort itself out with time, so who cares.

If we don't care about the prospects then what exactly is the point of this thread?????

I have no idea why he thought he would be in the MLB. Why do you care? You just get so worked up about it. I'm just sharing my opinion, what did I do before that makes you say I got worked up? Why do you care so much about a guy you hate on Twitter? That's what I'm asking. Why don't you just ignore him?

You brought him up and I just said he's young, and you shouldn't get so fixated on stats for him. He still has lot of development left. I said the same thing about Ford, I said the same thing about Marte's tough start.

[Juliooooo]

Look it is still possible the kid could make the HOF one. But there is no way anyone can say that RIGHT NOW anyone can say he looks like a future big leaguer.

How many pitches have you seen him make? Why do you care about someone's opinion you don't value?

[D-train]

Look it is still possible the kid could make the HOF one. But there is no way anyone can say that RIGHT NOW anyone can say he looks like a future big leaguer.

How many pitches have you seen him make? Why do you care about someone's opinion you don't value?

Zero. I can just look at the stats and seeing that he isn't missing enough bats. 11 Hits per 9 can be spun into anything positive. Why do you care that I care???

I care because I hate arrogant bull shitters and the sheep that follow them. I also can't stand when people tell other posters how they should think or feel. If you want to disagree, fine. Then provide some actual evidence instead of a blanket generalization of "you need to do this or you need to stop doing this" Uh, no actually I don't need to do anything. I will ALWAYS prefer data over hype by people that are wrong at least 50% of the time. Morales could be the exact same pitcher and if he was drafted in the final round no way Churchill lists him in that tweet.

Yeah it is absolutely INCREDIBLE that Ford and Marte pulled out of their slump by somehow overcoming my posting their stats on here. Conquered major adversity right there. The skies the limit now! lol