Mariners minors. Thread for interesting news and stats.

[Juliooooo]

It is 2/3 but your point is still valid.

Last year Julio had 390 vs right and 120 vs left
Ty France 397 and 154
Geno Suarez 419 and 130
JP Crawford was 364 and 154

1570/(1570+558)= 74.5 for the regulars last year. Maybe it was an outlier though. If he's that much better as a righty, then teams will catch on and throw more righties at him

Here is the Grand total. Right in between 3/4 and 2/3 but closer to 3/4. Good to know.

vs Left 49,821 27.4%
vs Right 132,227 72.6%
182,048 100.0%

Either way, makes sense for a guy like Cal to switch as he's stronger from the left side. Part of that could be exposure. I'd bet minors is evena bigger right/left split, so eventually you just have to be better from the left side. But not always. Haggerty is much better from the right. One guy who I wonder if it might be better to just stick at right handed hitting

[D-train]

Last year Julio had 390 vs right and 120 vs left
Ty France 397 and 154
Geno Suarez 419 and 130
JP Crawford was 364 and 154

1570/(1570+558)= 74.5 for the regulars last year. Maybe it was an outlier though. If he's that much better as a righty, then teams will catch on and throw more righties at him

Here is the Grand total. Right in between 3/4 and 2/3 but closer to 3/4. Good to know.

vs Left 49,821 27.4%
vs Right 132,227 72.6%
182,048 100.0%

Either way, makes sense for a guy like Cal to switch as he's stronger from the left side. Part of that could be exposure. I'd bet minors is evena bigger right/left split, so eventually you just have to be better from the left side. But not always. Haggerty is much better from the right. One guy who I wonder if it might be better to just stick at right handed hitting

Yeah Cal is .713 vs. RH and .692 vs. LH so totally makes sense to stay. Agree on Sam. No way he would have been worse hitting RHPs right handed than his 500s OPS trying to hit LH.

[Juliooooo]

Here is the Grand total. Right in between 3/4 and 2/3 but closer to 3/4. Good to know.

vs Left 49,821 27.4%
vs Right 132,227 72.6%
182,048 100.0%

Either way, makes sense for a guy like Cal to switch as he's stronger from the left side. Part of that could be exposure. I'd bet minors is evena bigger right/left split, so eventually you just have to be better from the left side. But not always. Haggerty is much better from the right. One guy who I wonder if it might be better to just stick at right handed hitting

Yeah Cal is .713 vs. RH and .692 vs. LH so totally makes sense to stay. Agree on Sam. No way he would have been worse hitting RHPs right handed than his 500s OPS trying to hit LH.

24 HR vs 3. .211 vs .212. It's the walk rate in a very small sample size that brings his OPS vs righties up. His ceiling seems to be clearly higher as a lefty. But there would be a bad split hitting lefties as a lefty as well. Plus, as a catcher he can take his days off against lefties.

[GL_Storm]

Celestine is rated higher then Wander Franco was

Rated by who? That's just people saying stuff. There's a really, really, really long list of bonus babies from the Dominican that simply didn't develop. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad they signed him. But the fact that he's "rated" so highly just doesn't mean that much.

Why do you think we signed him already?

That was just a mistake of using past tense.

[GL_Storm]

On MLB Pipeline, you can look back as far as 2013 to see the Top 30 international prospects in any given year. It's worth glancing through those lists to understand how much of a low percentage bet each of these prospects are. It's incredible actually, how few of them turn into major league players of any kind, not just stars. 2014 is especially bad. If I'm not mistaken, none of the top 30 actually developed into major league players, although maybe there's some guy in there whose name I didn't recognize.

I'm not saying we shouldn't be pleased about what the Mariners are doing with their international scouting and development. We should be. But the idea that we should be pumped as fans that our 16-17 year-old is more highly rated than a bunch of other 16-17 year-olds is absolutely absurd. It's nonsense.

The interesting question to me is why is the failure rate so incredibly high? I know part of it is the skills gap, that they don't have the youth baseball infrastructure in the DR and Venezuela that we do in the states. Also in the states, even with the extensive youth baseball system, the majority of major league regulars actually come from players drafted out of college, which suggests that the skills gap is at play here as well.

[desbcoach]

On MLB Pipeline, you can look back as far as 2013 to see the Top 30 international prospects in any given year. It's worth glancing through those lists to understand how much of a low percentage bet each of these prospects are. It's incredible actually, how few of them turn into major league players of any kind, not just stars. 2014 is especially bad. If I'm not mistaken, none of the top 30 actually developed into major league players, although maybe there's some guy in there whose name I didn't recognize.

I'm not saying we shouldn't be pleased about what the Mariners are doing with their international scouting and development. We should be. But the idea that we should be pumped as fans that our 16-17 year-old is more highly rated than a bunch of other 16-17 year-olds is absolutely absurd. It's nonsense.

The interesting question to me is why is the failure rate so incredibly high? I know part of it is the skills gap, that they don't have the youth baseball infrastructure in the DR and Venezuela that we do in the states. Also in the states, even with the extensive youth baseball system, the majority of major league regulars actually come from players drafted out of college, which suggests that the skills gap is at play here as well.

Be more interested in how the top 5 international FA done

[GL_Storm]

On MLB Pipeline, you can look back as far as 2013 to see the Top 30 international prospects in any given year. It's worth glancing through those lists to understand how much of a low percentage bet each of these prospects are. It's incredible actually, how few of them turn into major league players of any kind, not just stars. 2014 is especially bad. If I'm not mistaken, none of the top 30 actually developed into major league players, although maybe there's some guy in there whose name I didn't recognize.

I'm not saying we shouldn't be pleased about what the Mariners are doing with their international scouting and development. We should be. But the idea that we should be pumped as fans that our 16-17 year-old is more highly rated than a bunch of other 16-17 year-olds is absolutely absurd. It's nonsense.

The interesting question to me is why is the failure rate so incredibly high? I know part of it is the skills gap, that they don't have the youth baseball infrastructure in the DR and Venezuela that we do in the states. Also in the states, even with the extensive youth baseball system, the majority of major league regulars actually come from players drafted out of college, which suggests that the skills gap is at play here as well.

Be more interested in how the top 5 international FA done

Terrible. They've almost all failed.

[GL_Storm]

Here are the successes and failures out of the Top 5 ranked IFA prospects from 2013 through 2017. I stopped there because 2018 is getting to be very recent and it's probably too soon to judge their outcomes.

Ohtani is an obvious outlier in 2017, so I wouldn't think of him in the same way as the Latin American players.

2013

1) Eloy Jimenez, OF - 5.3 WAR
2) Micker Adolfo, OF - AAA in 2022
3) Gleyber Torres, INF - 11.5 WAR
4) Marten Gasparini, OF - A+ in 2019, out of baseball
5) Leonardo Molina, OF - A+ in 2019, out of baseball

2014

1) Dermis Garcia, 1B/3B, 0.4 WAR (MLB debut in 2022 with Oakland)
2) Nelson Gomez, 3B, A+ in 2019, and complex in 2021, appears to be out of baseball
3) Adrian Rondon, 3B, A+ in 2021, out of baseball
4) Gilbert Lara, SS, AA in 2022, marginal hitter barely hanging on
5) Juan De Leon, OF A- in 2021, out of baseball

2015

1) Yadier Alvarez, RHP AAA in 2022, ERA above 8 as reliever
2) Vladimir Gutierrez, RHP 1.4 WAR, 150 IP in the majors for Cincinatti, ERA above 5
3) Yusniel Diaz, OF 0.0 WAR based on 1 major league PA in 2022
4) Alfredo Rodriguez, SS AA/AAA in 2022
5) Eddy Martinez, OF AA in 2019, playing in Mex League/Indy Ball

Note: 2015 is notable in that the top 5 prospects were all from Cuba.

2016

1) Luis Robert Jr., OF 7.5 WAR
2) Kevin Maitan INF AA in 2022
3) Adrian Morejon, LHP -0.3 WAR over parts of 4 seasons
4) Norge Ruiz, RHP -0.4 WAR (MLB debut in 2022 with Oakland)
5) Cionel Perez 2.0 WAR (reliever)

Note: All are from Cuba except Maitan

2017

1) Shohei Ohtani, TWP 24.8 WAR
2) Wander Franco, SS 6.1 WAR
3) JP Martinez, OF AA in 2022, may still be a prospect
4) Jelfry Marte, SS A- in 2022, not a prospect
5) Everson Pereira, OF AA in 2022, may still be a prospect

[Sexymarinersfan]

IT'S SIGNING DAY!!!!!

[Donn Beach]

It is 2/3 but your point is still valid.

Last year Julio had 390 vs right and 120 vs left
Ty France 397 and 154
Geno Suarez 419 and 130
JP Crawford was 364 and 154

1570/(1570+558)= 74.5 for the regulars last year. Maybe it was an outlier though. If he's that much better as a righty, then teams will catch on and throw more righties at him

Here is the Grand total. Right in between 3/4 and 2/3 but closer to 3/4. Good to know.

vs Left 49,821 27.4%
vs Right 132,227 72.6%
182,048 100.0%

And I was thinking in terms of starting pitchers, believe it breaks down about 2/3 righties, 1/3 lefties