Mariners minors. Thread for interesting news and stats.

[GL_Storm]

Some video links I found. Quality is mixed, but some of you might enjoy these.

Cole Young: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_yNm57UtIY
Cezar Izturis Jr.: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Smi1x21ym4
Hogan Windish: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW6MMN8Zd_4&t=53s
Gabe Moncada: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX_iMqWNJgE
Gabriel Gonzalez (G2): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1VpF_uTfZg
Starlin Aguilar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1OvY_4GK48
George Feliz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldDNjGoC1pI
Holden Laws: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQgHWfzrO98&t=44s
Juan Querecuto: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQmwZBMVa6U
Spencer Packard: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5OPYmi75Qw&t=199s
Blake Rambusch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nkx0jgF_5ks
Bill Knight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAkR5YMwMuo

This channel has hundreds, maybe thousands of these kinds of clips. Again, quality is kind of meh, but they're putting the work in that's for sure.

[D-train]

3 in the top 100. 2 are BARELY in

[D-train]

[desbcoach]

Don’t see it mentioned but M’s are bringing Celestine strait to Az. Complex to start rather than DSL like they normally do. On Dipoto talk yesterday

https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1727380/ ... -celesten/

[Juliooooo]

Don’t see it mentioned but M’s are bringing Celestine strait to Az. Complex to start rather than DSL like they normally do. On Dipoto talk yesterday

https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1727380/ ... -celesten/

Wow. That's pretty cool actually. Probably good for defense not playing on those crappy fields. He'll train, then play the rookie league I'd bet.

[GL_Storm]

Don’t see it mentioned but M’s are bringing Celestine strait to Az. Complex to start rather than DSL like they normally do. On Dipoto talk yesterday

https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1727380/ ... -celesten/

Wow. That's pretty cool actually. Probably good for defense not playing on those crappy fields. He'll train, then play the rookie league I'd bet.

I'm not so sure this is a good idea. The DSL is a good soft landing for these kids, most of whom have very little experience in actual games. On the other hand, if he kills it at the complex, you could see him getting a late season promotion to Modesto, and maybe even beginning the 2024 season at Everett. That would be super-fast for a kid that age, which hasn't happened with a position player in this org since ARod made it to the majors at 19. I really hope they make the right decision with him.

[Pharmabro]

Don’t see it mentioned but M’s are bringing Celestine strait to Az. Complex to start rather than DSL like they normally do. On Dipoto talk yesterday

https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1727380/ ... -celesten/

Wow. That's pretty cool actually. Probably good for defense not playing on those crappy fields. He'll train, then play the rookie league I'd bet.

I'm not so sure this is a good idea. The DSL is a good soft landing for these kids, most of whom have very little experience in actual games. On the other hand, if he kills it at the complex, you could see him getting a late season promotion to Modesto, and maybe even beginning the 2024 season at Everett. That would be super-fast for a kid that age, which hasn't happened with a position player in this org since ARod made it to the majors at 19. I really hope they make the right decision with him.

I think that is a little bit premature with the worry. He is 17 as another poster mentioned and not a just turned 16-year old like some of the other IFAs. He is basically aged the same as a senior in high-school draftee. He was borne 9/15/2005 so he will be 18 near the end of his 1st season. He is young but as you said super young prospect hit MLB at 18 or 19 and we are talking about maybe starting A+ in 2024, and so maybe a taste in 25 and maybe 26 really getting a look. That is what you should expect as a min. from a once in a decade prospect.

[GL_Storm]

Wow. That's pretty cool actually. Probably good for defense not playing on those crappy fields. He'll train, then play the rookie league I'd bet.

I'm not so sure this is a good idea. The DSL is a good soft landing for these kids, most of whom have very little experience in actual games. On the other hand, if he kills it at the complex, you could see him getting a late season promotion to Modesto, and maybe even beginning the 2024 season at Everett. That would be super-fast for a kid that age, which hasn't happened with a position player in this org since ARod made it to the majors at 19. I really hope they make the right decision with him.

I think that is a little bit premature with the worry. He is 17 as another poster mentioned and not a just turned 16-year old like some of the other IFAs. He is basically aged the same as a senior in high-school draftee. He was borne 9/15/2005 so he will be 18 near the end of his 1st season. He is young but as you said super young prospect hit MLB at 18 or 19 and we are talking about maybe starting A+ in 2024, and so maybe a taste in 25 and maybe 26 really getting a look. That is what you should expect as a min. from a once in a decade prospect.

But the difference is that an elite high school player in the US will have actual playing experience and nowadays that usually includes participating in these elite travel teams that parents shell out thousands of dollars for their kids to participate in. In the Dominican, there isn't even much of a youth league system, if one exists at all, and when decent players are identified, they start working with private trainers very early (I think as young as 13), and then the trainers hide them away until they're old enough to sign with a major league team, at which point the trainer takes 30% of the bonus. And this is actually one of the problems with the current system, especially the early verbal commitments that get made, which is basically that once that bonus gets booked, neither the player nor the trainer have any incentive for the player to play in actual games. There's just way too much risk to do that. It's similar to how some of the very top college football players will skip the pre-draft combines. What if you have a bad day or get injured? Why take the risk if you know you're a top 10 pick already? So once the Mariners and the young player and his parents and his trainer are all agreed and have a handshake agreement, he mostly stops playing actual games. And this is very different from the experience of a player in the US, that's doing everything he can to improve his draft position.

I would also really question the "once in a decade prospect" idea. He's too young for that. Right now, I wouldn't even put him in the Mariner's Top 10.

As I'm writing this out, I'm coming around to MLB's idea of an international draft, which until now I've been staunchly opposed to. A draft wouldn't break the power of the trainers, but it would change the incentives and force the trainers to get behind organized leagues rather than hiding their players away until they're old enough to sign. And that would be much better for the development of players overall. It could even result in some players getting scholarships to play at US colleges and universities, which for 9 out of 10 of these kids would be a way better outcome than the current system.

[desbcoach]

I'm not so sure this is a good idea. The DSL is a good soft landing for these kids, most of whom have very little experience in actual games. On the other hand, if he kills it at the complex, you could see him getting a late season promotion to Modesto, and maybe even beginning the 2024 season at Everett. That would be super-fast for a kid that age, which hasn't happened with a position player in this org since ARod made it to the majors at 19. I really hope they make the right decision with him.

I think that is a little bit premature with the worry. He is 17 as another poster mentioned and not a just turned 16-year old like some of the other IFAs. He is basically aged the same as a senior in high-school draftee. He was borne 9/15/2005 so he will be 18 near the end of his 1st season. He is young but as you said super young prospect hit MLB at 18 or 19 and we are talking about maybe starting A+ in 2024, and so maybe a taste in 25 and maybe 26 really getting a look. That is what you should expect as a min. from a once in a decade prospect.

But the difference is that an elite high school player in the US will have actual playing experience and nowadays that usually includes participating in these elite travel teams that parents shell out thousands of dollars for their kids to participate in. In the Dominican, there isn't even much of a youth league system, if one exists at all, and when decent players are identified, they start working with private trainers very early (I think as young as 13), and then the trainers hide them away until they're old enough to sign with a major league team, at which point the trainer takes 30% of the bonus. And this is actually one of the problems with the current system, especially the early verbal commitments that get made, which is basically that once that bonus gets booked, neither the player nor the trainer have any incentive for the player to play in actual games. There's just way too much risk to do that. It's similar to how some of the very top college football players will skip the pre-draft combines. What if you have a bad day or get injured? Why take the risk if you know you're a top 10 pick already? So once the Mariners and the young player and his parents and his trainer are all agreed and have a handshake agreement, he mostly stops playing actual games. And this is very different from the experience of a player in the US, that's doing everything he can to improve his draft position.

I would also really question the "once in a decade prospect" idea. He's too young for that. Right now, I wouldn't even put him in the Mariner's Top 10.

As I'm writing this out, I'm coming around to MLB's idea of an international draft, which until now I've been staunchly opposed to. A draft wouldn't break the power of the trainers, but it would change the incentives and force the trainers to get behind organized leagues rather than hiding their players away until they're old enough to sign. And that would be much better for the development of players overall. It could even result in some players getting scholarships to play at US colleges and universities, which for 9 out of 10 of these kids would be a way better outcome than the current system.

In the Dipoto interview , I believe he stated Feline had been playing some league and international stuff, not sure amount or any of that tho

[GL_Storm]

I think that is a little bit premature with the worry. He is 17 as another poster mentioned and not a just turned 16-year old like some of the other IFAs. He is basically aged the same as a senior in high-school draftee. He was borne 9/15/2005 so he will be 18 near the end of his 1st season. He is young but as you said super young prospect hit MLB at 18 or 19 and we are talking about maybe starting A+ in 2024, and so maybe a taste in 25 and maybe 26 really getting a look. That is what you should expect as a min. from a once in a decade prospect.

But the difference is that an elite high school player in the US will have actual playing experience and nowadays that usually includes participating in these elite travel teams that parents shell out thousands of dollars for their kids to participate in. In the Dominican, there isn't even much of a youth league system, if one exists at all, and when decent players are identified, they start working with private trainers very early (I think as young as 13), and then the trainers hide them away until they're old enough to sign with a major league team, at which point the trainer takes 30% of the bonus. And this is actually one of the problems with the current system, especially the early verbal commitments that get made, which is basically that once that bonus gets booked, neither the player nor the trainer have any incentive for the player to play in actual games. There's just way too much risk to do that. It's similar to how some of the very top college football players will skip the pre-draft combines. What if you have a bad day or get injured? Why take the risk if you know you're a top 10 pick already? So once the Mariners and the young player and his parents and his trainer are all agreed and have a handshake agreement, he mostly stops playing actual games. And this is very different from the experience of a player in the US, that's doing everything he can to improve his draft position.

I would also really question the "once in a decade prospect" idea. He's too young for that. Right now, I wouldn't even put him in the Mariner's Top 10.

As I'm writing this out, I'm coming around to MLB's idea of an international draft, which until now I've been staunchly opposed to. A draft wouldn't break the power of the trainers, but it would change the incentives and force the trainers to get behind organized leagues rather than hiding their players away until they're old enough to sign. And that would be much better for the development of players overall. It could even result in some players getting scholarships to play at US colleges and universities, which for 9 out of 10 of these kids would be a way better outcome than the current system.

In the Dipoto interview , I believe he stated Feline had been playing some league and international stuff, not sure amount or any of that tho

Of course he said that.