Post Mortem - Lamar Jackson

[douche]

Jackson is obviously gifted, and he's got youth on his side. But if he'd like to be around awhile, he'll have to adjust his game or his career will be short-lived. He kinda reminds me of Michael Vick or RGIII.

So SEA selects Penny at 27 in the 2018 draft, BAL selects Jackson at 32. Perhaps SEA should have chosen Jackson.

[ThePro]

Jackson is obviously gifted, and he's got youth on his side. But if he'd like to be around awhile, he'll have to adjust his game or his career will be short-lived. He kinda reminds me of Micahel Vick or RGIII.

So SEA selects Penny at 27 in the 2018 draft, BAL selects Jackson at 32. Perhaps SEA should have chosen Jackson.

I thought they were going to do exactly that.

[ThePro]

Jackson is obviously gifted, and he's got youth on his side. But if he'd like to be around awhile, he'll have to adjust his game or his career will be short-lived. He kinda reminds me of Micahel Vick or RGIII.

So SEA selects Penny at 27 in the 2018 draft, BAL selects Jackson at 32. Perhaps SEA should have chosen Jackson.

I thought they were going to do exactly that.

[auroraave]

I agree, and is where we fall short. Pete is horrible in game...too hormonal to be even decent at clock management, doesn’t value timeouts or challenges and still forgets what defense he has now. Belichek coaches every game based on his opponent. We simply do what we do and act surprised that someone else scouted us and expected it.

This is the truest statement ever posted on this forum. Seattle with no pass rush and marginal-at-best secondary play - still stays in the base defense - it's almost hilariously sad. You want genius? When Bellichick was the DC for the Giants, his strategy in the Super Bowl versus the vaunted Bills Machine Gun Kelly offense was pure brilliance. Two down lineman and six DB's nearly all the time. He literally told his team that their strategy was to get Thurman Thomas to rush for 100 yards - which he did - because that would mean they were running the ball, which was NOT the strength of that offense. That meant keeping the clock running, shortening the game, lowering the score, which favored the Giants and that punishing, grinding, ball control running attack. he takes away your biggest strength - Seattle just lines up and says "beat us at what we do", which was fine when the defense was in it's hey day - but they are a shell of that unit - and yet still run it like they have dominant personnel.

The truth is this team is not that good - making scheme and strategy exponentially more important. bellichick is a master tactician and his teams are disciplined, rarely making mistakes that cost games. Seattle once had a team that could overcome mistakes - this is not that team - yet they act as if they are. 6-2 is remarkable, but not sustainable. paper tiger. Scraping together wins against poor competition is merely a temporary distraction from the deficiencies this team has - especially on the coaching side, where they need to elevate. I think Scotty has some great schemes, but somehow the personnel cannot execute consistently - it's almost like they just don't practice. Ultimately, I hate to see RW's career wasted in his prime. If you are not going to open it up, maximize his skill set and let him and the offense soar, then trade him for draft picks and get into the rebuild. The status quo ensures two things: this team has no shot at a playoff run, and they will continue to get low first round picks. Look at the Lambs and SF as to the importance of multiple top ten picks in roster rebuild. Seattle's current situation is not sustainable - either on the field or in the draft. Don't be surprised if Arians schemes and plays to win, while Seattle does the Seattle thing and cannot pull a miracle out of thier hat in the end. Then you are looking at a possible last place finish in the division.

[DavidGee24]

Not to mention they then go to the playoffs where they have to beat other AFC playoff teams which they usually do, and then in the Super Bowl they have to beat the best (or hottest) team in the NFC and they usually do.

You cannot ( and should not ) discount the two gifts they were given in Superbowls 49 & 50. Nothing genius about that. That was shameful . Pats got their ass kicked very next year by Philly.

It takes two to tango. One team (the Falcons) has to blow a 25-point lead and the other team has to overcome a 25-point deficit. As for our game, of course that was a gift but that's one play out of many. Even if the Hawks win at least the Patriots would still be the AFC champs who lost a close Super Bowl to the NFC champs. Still quite a bit of football genius there.

[XpertDBA]

Still Pro, you make it sound like it's 90% Brady and 10% Belichick.

I'd way it's much closer to a 50%-50% proposition. Belichick does his homework on his opponent and it shows. He even cheats a little here and there.....like they say, whatever you can get away with.

[ThePro]

Still Pro, you make it sound like it's 90% Brady and 10% Belichick.

I'd way it's much closer to a 50%-50% proposition. Belichick does his homework on his opponent and it shows. He even cheats a little here and there.....like they say, whatever you can get away with.

I am because that's what it is.. IMO. And a joke of a division.

[ThePro]

It takes two to tango. One team (the Falcons) has to blow a 25-point lead and the other team has to overcome a 25-point deficit. As for our game, of course that was a gift but that's one play out of many. Even if the Hawks win at least the Patriots would still be the AFC champs who lost a close Super Bowl to the NFC champs. Still quite a bit of football genius there.

Hawks hand that ball to Lynch and Patriots are 3-6 in Superbowls. Brady is in Jacksonville and we aren't having this conversation.

[douche]

I agree, and is where we fall short. Pete is horrible in game...too hormonal to be even decent at clock management, doesn’t value timeouts or challenges and still forgets what defense he has now. Belichek coaches every game based on his opponent. We simply do what we do and act surprised that someone else scouted us and expected it.

This is the truest statement ever posted on this forum. Seattle with no pass rush and marginal-at-best secondary play - still stays in the base defense - it's almost hilariously sad. You want genius? When Belichick was the DC for the Giants, his strategy in the Super Bowl versus the vaunted Bills Machine Gun Kelly offense was pure brilliance. Two down lineman and six DB's nearly all the time. He literally told his team that their strategy was to get Thurman Thomas to rush for 100 yards - which he did - because that would mean they were running the ball, which was NOT the strength of that offense. That meant keeping the clock running, shortening the game, lowering the score, which favored the Giants and that punishing, grinding, ball control running attack. he takes away your biggest strength - Seattle just lines up and says "beat us at what we do", which was fine when the defense was in it's hey day - but they are a shell of that unit - and yet still run it like they have dominant personnel.

The truth is this team is not that good - making scheme and strategy exponentially more important. belichick is a master tactician and his teams are disciplined, rarely making mistakes that cost games. Seattle once had a team that could overcome mistakes - this is not that team - yet they act as if they are. 6-2 is remarkable, but not sustainable. paper tiger. Scraping together wins against poor competition is merely a temporary distraction from the deficiencies this team has - especially on the coaching side, where they need to elevate. I think Scotty has some great schemes, but somehow the personnel cannot execute consistently - it's almost like they just don't practice. Ultimately, I hate to see RW's career wasted in his prime. If you are not going to open it up, maximize his skill set and let him and the offense soar, then trade him for draft picks and get into the rebuild. The status quo ensures two things: this team has no shot at a playoff run, and they will continue to get low first round picks. Look at the Lambs and SF as to the importance of multiple top ten picks in roster rebuild. Seattle's current situation is not sustainable - either on the field or in the draft. Don't be surprised if Arians schemes and plays to win, while Seattle does the Seattle thing and cannot pull a miracle out of thier hat in the end. Then you are looking at a possible last place finish in the division.

Well stated

[ThePro]

I agree, and is where we fall short. Pete is horrible in game...too hormonal to be even decent at clock management, doesn’t value timeouts or challenges and still forgets what defense he has now. Belichek coaches every game based on his opponent. We simply do what we do and act surprised that someone else scouted us and expected it.

This is the truest statement ever posted on this forum. Seattle with no pass rush and marginal-at-best secondary play - still stays in the base defense - it's almost hilariously sad. You want genius? When Belichick was the DC for the Giants, his strategy in the Super Bowl versus the vaunted Bills Machine Gun Kelly offense was pure brilliance. Two down lineman and six DB's nearly all the time. He literally told his team that their strategy was to get Thurman Thomas to rush for 100 yards - which he did - because that would mean they were running the ball, which was NOT the strength of that offense. That meant keeping the clock running, shortening the game, lowering the score, which favored the Giants and that punishing, grinding, ball control running attack. he takes away your biggest strength - Seattle just lines up and says "beat us at what we do", which was fine when the defense was in it's hey day - but they are a shell of that unit - and yet still run it like they have dominant personnel.

The truth is this team is not that good - making scheme and strategy exponentially more important. belichick is a master tactician and his teams are disciplined, rarely making mistakes that cost games. Seattle once had a team that could overcome mistakes - this is not that team - yet they act as if they are. 6-2 is remarkable, but not sustainable. paper tiger. Scraping together wins against poor competition is merely a temporary distraction from the deficiencies this team has - especially on the coaching side, where they need to elevate. I think Scotty has some great schemes, but somehow the personnel cannot execute consistently - it's almost like they just don't practice. Ultimately, I hate to see RW's career wasted in his prime. If you are not going to open it up, maximize his skill set and let him and the offense soar, then trade him for draft picks and get into the rebuild. The status quo ensures two things: this team has no shot at a playoff run, and they will continue to get low first round picks. Look at the Lambs and SF as to the importance of multiple top ten picks in roster rebuild. Seattle's current situation is not sustainable - either on the field or in the draft. Don't be surprised if Arians schemes and plays to win, while Seattle does the Seattle thing and cannot pull a miracle out of thier hat in the end. Then you are looking at a possible last place finish in the division.

Well stated

Alot to unpack there. First and foremost every team coaches their gameplan based on their opponent. Foolish and naive to think Patriots are only ones doing this.

Second Carroll has had great success with his schemes.

Third as far as Belichick's "genius" with the Giants? Their head coach knew a little something about defense too . Might of heard of him Parcells or something like that?