Interesting article

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Re: Interesting article

Post by Michael K. » Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:55 am

D-train wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:41 am
Our best quarter is the 2nd and our worst is the 3rd.

1st 16th 4.4 points
2nd 3rd 10.0
3rd 22nd 4.0
4th 4th 8.4

So we suck starting a half and are great finishing a half.
Nothing new here.

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Re: Interesting article

Post by Donn Beach » Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:16 am

if the amount of points they score a game is a given i would rather be scoring more of them in the fourth quarter than in the first. I certainly don't want to be out scored in the fourth quarter. You can call it being desperate or you could call it wearing the other team down.

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Re: Interesting article

Post by D-train » Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:31 am

Donn Beach wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:16 am
if the amount of points they score a game is a given i would rather be scoring more of them in the fourth quarter than in the first. I certainly don't want to be out scored in the fourth quarter. You can call it being desperate or you could call it wearing the other team down.
Speaking of wearing teams down:

https://twitter.com/SteveSandmeyer/stat ... 5121158145
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Re: Interesting article

Post by Michael K. » Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:47 am

D-train wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:31 am
Donn Beach wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:16 am
if the amount of points they score a game is a given i would rather be scoring more of them in the fourth quarter than in the first. I certainly don't want to be out scored in the fourth quarter. You can call it being desperate or you could call it wearing the other team down.
Speaking of wearing teams down:

https://twitter.com/SteveSandmeyer/stat ... 5121158145
So, you would rather trail in the game and always need to come from behind rather than get a lead and try to protect it? Interesting strategy...you and Pete would get along well.

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Re: Interesting article

Post by Donn Beach » Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:50 am

so you would rather be outscored in the fourth quarter...okay

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Re: Interesting article

Post by Michael K. » Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:07 pm

Donn Beach wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:50 am
so you would rather be outscored in the fourth quarter...okay
If I am up 14 and they outscore me 10 to 3? Sure. But if you average 4 points in the first and third quarters, your defense has to play DAMN well to get a lead of more than a few points right?

They don't weigh points on a sliding scale based on when they are scored. It isn't aggregate like freaking soccer was. If you score 21 points in the first quarter and the other team scores 17 for the game? Guess what, they could have scored all 17 in the fourth quarter and still lose!

I am sure that Bruce Arians was screaming in the locker room "Can you lose the game in the first quarter? No! Can you lose the game in the second quarter? No. Can you lose the game in the third quarter? No. Can you lose the game in the 4th quarter? HELL NO. You LOSE the game in Overtime!" I bet when the game finished in a tie both coaches wish they had scored another time in the first quarter! Nope, not Pete. He only wants those points in the fourth quarter. BS.

It is a stupid concept. Go look at the highest scoring teams in the first quarter, and tell me those are teams that lose more than they win? Go look at teams scoring a ton of points in the 4th quarter...my guess is a lot of them are scoring in garbage time. Blake Bortles was a Fantasy QB MVP a few years ago because once the Jags got down four scores he would throw three second half TDs in a losing effort. Big damn deal.

If Pete Carroll says it, you buy it, but half the time that guy is full of shit. If you want proof, go look at our playoff loss to Carolina! They took the entire second half off and advanced! Basically because we took the entire first half off!

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Re: Interesting article

Post by Donn Beach » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:46 pm

Who said anything about Bruce Atkins?....that is what i said, and its how i feel, and you are right, it doesn't really matter when they are scored. But again, i get a more of a kick out of spotting a team a pair of TDs and then reeling them in and beating them in the fourth quarter than i do getting a lead and then hanging on while being outscored in the 4th...sorry, just how i feel about it
if the amount of points they score a game is a given i would rather be scoring more of them in the fourth quarter than in the first.

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Re: Interesting article

Post by Michael K. » Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:37 pm

Donn Beach wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:50 am
so you would rather be outscored in the fourth quarter...okay
I answered this statement, not the other. If you would rather sit on the edge of your seat and hope a stagnant offense can get going and get out of the hole they dug, then be my guest. Not only is it a stupid strategy, it is one only Pete Carroll adheres to. Read any other coach talk about what they hope for on offense and you hear about "a fast start". Pete just hopes they don't step on their dick in the first half and that they didn't get behind too much to make a comeback.

Once again. Get out to an early lead? Bad. The best thing to do is to just sit back and punt for three quarters....rope a dope. Genius.

And, not sure who Bruce Atkins is, but if you were referencing my statement, I was merely parading Pete Carroll. I am sure that Arians wishes they had scored more early...or that we had scored less. Either way it works in an OT game. Points are points. Hoping for a one score game late with a CHANCE to win is foolish. Curb stomp them.

Unless, in your opinion we don't have the firepower on offense to come out of the gate and score...that we don't have the talent to score early and are more likely to turn the ball over. Otherwise, it is a dumb philosophy.

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Re: Interesting article

Post by Donn Beach » Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:49 pm

I don't know where you keep trying to go with this, I am not talking about football strategy. I am talking about how i feel. I don't like being outscored in the fourth quarter, that's it. I really do not feel the need to defend it to you

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Re: Interesting article

Post by DavidGee24 » Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:28 am

Michael K. wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:55 am
D-train wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:41 am
Our best quarter is the 2nd and our worst is the 3rd.

1st 16th 4.4 points
2nd 3rd 10.0
3rd 22nd 4.0
4th 4th 8.4

So we suck starting a half and are great finishing a half.
Nothing new here.
To be fair, you have to account for the fact that it's a lot easier to score points in the second and fourth quarters than it is the first and third just because at the beginning of the second and fourth quarters you might have the ball in opponent territory, plus if you kick off to start the first or third quarter you might not have a chance to score for up to several minutes.

Now, while that makes the point imbalance understandable it doesn't really excuse the ranking imbalance, but when you look at it overall that's pretty good as the Hawks are seventh in points scored.

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