Hamas Attack in Israel

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Re: Hamas Attack in Israel

Post by auroraave » Thu Oct 19, 2023 2:31 pm

auroraave wrote:
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Not up to speed on this story yet. Sounds like Israel and world intelligence community wasn't up to speed either.

This looks like the Tet Offensive at first blush: surprise attack at multiple sites during a holiday, religious or otherwise. Right after Joe frees up frozen Iranian assets, nice touch.

Shit-Eyes Biden works for four minutes on a Saturday reading a teleprompter stating nine times how we, "Stand with Israel, we got your back."

No questions of course. The weakness of this administration and this feeble, senile, lost President just makes it easier for terrorists to pick and choose targets, start wars, flood borders...

This is the most fucked up I've ever seen this country in my lifetime. I thought it was in 1968 with Nam and the MLK and Bobby assassinations. Then I thought it was 1970, when four protesting students were shot to death by the National Guard at Kent State. Then I thought it was 1974, when Nixon resigned in shame over Watergate.

But Biden is the worst president I've seen in my 65 years. The embodiment of every horrible trait and flaw of our worst presidents rolled into one piece of shit, without even one redeeming quality.
It's 2023 - how do we even know the accuracy of anything being reported? Everythng is spin and narratives anymore. How do we know it was hammas? If 'they' are telling me a story - I generally dismiss it as 'selling a narrative' anymore. This gives Israel license to invade, right? How do we know Israel wasn't behind it as a way to gain approval to invade? Governments do this shit. Maybe Iran was behind it. It's never what we are being told - that's where I am with the state of 'news' in 2023 - I simply do not believe the stories being told to us. There is always something else, another layer going on. If you are Hammas - and they may very well be behind it, I do not know - but the thinking behind it makes no sense to me - the attack would simply give Israel license to slaugher them - they have the means and the $$$ to do just that - Hammas would know they are slitting thier own throats, right? That makes no sense. Or is the CIA behind it as a way to stir up US military action/spending?

Oh, this would be a good time for Israel to ask the US for $$$$... right? Money we don't have for us - or Hawaii - but for everyone else. Let's see hoW this all unfolds. The news cycle now conveniently has another 'story' to follow to keep the masses distracted from talking about the Dem's ruination of our country - a new "narrative" going into an election cycle to avoid accountability. How convenient.

Does anyone on her believe what we are being told? QUESTION EVERYTHING, PEOPLE!
Gee, didn't see that coming. Looking forward to a long war that the dems will conveniently use as an excuse to NOT have elections - that they know they will lose, while Blackrock, Vanguard, the War Machine all get fatter and the US tax payer gets stuck with the bill for products and services no one asked for. Oh, but it gets better, now there will be higher taxes to pay for the basics while the middle class continues to erode away through this exact bullshit. Is there anyone that beleives ANYTHING the 'news' has been saying about this conflict? It's actually pretty hilarious - the over the top coverage that is completely innaccurate - but it isn't meant to be accurate - it's onoly meant to provoke 'outrage" to justify another war and the redistribution of YOUR money. And as is always the case - down the road the grift will be revealed - just like covid, iraq, yada yada yada - AFTER all the damage is done and we are all a little poorer. It's all by design. Anyone 'anti-war' will ne the next villain - cue the 'shame-naming' of the anti war people (racists, white supremecist, ant-vaxxers, far right wing) as I am sure they have something on deck for anyone going against the latest predictable narrative.


Wash, rinse, repeat.

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Re: Hamas Attack in Israel

Post by gil » Thu Oct 19, 2023 3:28 pm

It seems that the strongest anti-Israel voices and the strongest anti-Biden's handling of this are coming from the far left. Example of Rep. Tlaib (D-Mich) jumping all over the initial reports that Israel was to blame for the horrible bombing of the Baptist hospital in Gaza. Apparently she hasn't backed off at all in the face of different information. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/id ... r-AA1inY24

What the old saying? "A lie spreads halfway around the world before the truth puts its shoes on." (And I think that was pre-internet.)

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Re: Hamas Attack in Israel

Post by D-train » Thu Oct 19, 2023 3:50 pm

Libs losing their marbles over this. For non baseball fans, Rangers are the only team not to have a Pride night.
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Re: Hamas Attack in Israel

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Re: Hamas Attack in Israel

Post by auroraave » Thu Oct 19, 2023 4:02 pm

gil wrote:
Thu Oct 19, 2023 3:28 pm
It seems that the strongest anti-Israel voices and the strongest anti-Biden's handling of this are coming from the far left. Example of Rep. Tlaib (D-Mich) jumping all over the initial reports that Israel was to blame for the horrible bombing of the Baptist hospital in Gaza. Apparently she hasn't backed off at all in the face of different information. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/id ... r-AA1inY24

What the old saying? "A lie spreads halfway around the world before the truth puts its shoes on." (And I think that was pre-internet.)
Gil, with all due respect, this has nothing to do with left/right/dem/rep - this is manufactured crisis that are stealing US tax dollars - in which we get ZERO return. This is math - this is grifting the US tax payer - I literally predicted this on the first page of this thread. Step back from 'categorizing' it as look at it objectively for what it is - RIPPING OFF the average US taxpayer. All the 'media' is doing is creating mass confusion about what is happening - keeping the usual sheep 'outraged' while they secretly hand our cash over to someone else.

I cannot possibly be the only one that sees this.

But yeah, that is a great quote. Now, sadly, because of media manipulation - no one knows the truth anymore.

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Re: Hamas Attack in Israel

Post by D-train » Thu Oct 19, 2023 4:12 pm

That Maui comparison is maddening. I calculated that $700 a household amounted to $2.1M What a joke.

Now Israel wants $10B which is 10,000 Million. So 2 million for Hawaii and 10,000 million for Israel and 75,000 million for Ukraine. Fuck the Fuck off with that.
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Re: Hamas Attack in Israel

Post by gil » Thu Oct 19, 2023 6:24 pm

auroraave wrote:
Thu Oct 19, 2023 4:02 pm
gil wrote:
Thu Oct 19, 2023 3:28 pm
It seems that the strongest anti-Israel voices and the strongest anti-Biden's handling of this are coming from the far left. Example of Rep. Tlaib (D-Mich) jumping all over the initial reports that Israel was to blame for the horrible bombing of the Baptist hospital in Gaza. Apparently she hasn't backed off at all in the face of different information. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/id ... r-AA1inY24

What the old saying? "A lie spreads halfway around the world before the truth puts its shoes on." (And I think that was pre-internet.)
Gil, with all due respect, this has nothing to do with left/right/dem/rep - this is manufactured crisis that are stealing US tax dollars - in which we get ZERO return. This is math - this is grifting the US tax payer - I literally predicted this on the first page of this thread. Step back from 'categorizing' it as look at it objectively for what it is - RIPPING OFF the average US taxpayer. All the 'media' is doing is creating mass confusion about what is happening - keeping the usual sheep 'outraged' while they secretly hand our cash over to someone else.

I cannot possibly be the only one that sees this.

But yeah, that is a great quote. Now, sadly, because of media manipulation - no one knows the truth anymore.
auroraave, I understand what your big picture take on this is ... and I think these are valid points: There is manipulation of facts in the media, and the defense contractors will get big bucks. But does this mean that the Hamas attacks didn't happen? Are you arguing that this was all "part of the show" (i.e., a "Wag the Dog" situation)?

I wish we had sources we all agreed to trust, since few of us can independently verify what is happening in Israel and Gaza.

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Re: Hamas Attack in Israel

Post by bpj » Thu Oct 19, 2023 6:29 pm

The Hamas attacks did happen.

The question is how.

Did Netanyahu issue a stand down order and allow it to happen as former members if the IDF have insisted must be the case? Have heard it said that it would take several simultaneous failures in the Israeli defense system for this breach to happen. Yet it happened.

Small price to pay when you see the US handing out $100's of billions of dollars in "aide".

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Re: Hamas Attack in Israel

Post by gil » Thu Oct 19, 2023 7:03 pm

bpj wrote:
Thu Oct 19, 2023 6:29 pm
The Hamas attacks did happen.

The question is how.

Did Netanyahu issue a stand down order and allow it to happen as former members if the IDF have insisted must be the case? Have heard it said that it would take several simultaneous failures in the Israeli defense system for this breach to happen. Yet it happened.

Small price to pay when you see the US handing out $100's of billions of dollars in "aide".
Very good question. It seems the most successful terrorist operations find weaknesses not previously known. If Netanyahu did order them to stand down, he is more of a scum than I already thought.

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Re: Hamas Attack in Israel

Post by Walla Walla Dawg II » Thu Oct 19, 2023 10:16 pm

How many wars did Trump get us involved with?
How many wars started around the world when Trump was in office?

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