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Hanniger back with Descaflanie , Ray gone
Re: Hanniger back with Descaflanie , Ray gone
Hopefully that's so. They got the 2025 commitments down to under $90M.Trade DeSclafani for a reliever, maybe with the Cubs (they seem to need SP, and have good RP), and pay part of the salary difference, and get Snell.Donn Beach wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 3:31 pmDipoto did something I don't believe I have seen mentioned. He cleared like $75 mil in future obligation by moving Ray. Which just might open the door to signing....Snell?
I'm impressed with how Dipoto has been able to move contracts. I think he's done a pretty good job so far this off season
The thing about Fangraph's team projections, is that they have to estimate playing time. You have unexpected injuries, suspensions, slow to recover injures, etc. On a team basis they're usually overestimating PA, and innings of the high WAR players. But I see it as the nature of predictions for teams.
I remember (was it last year?) when it was near the beginning of Feb, the average team was expected to not win 81 games, but over 85 games, partly due to the overallocation of PA, and innings. This is why I want them to continue working on the roster.
Re: Hanniger back with Descaflanie , Ray gone
Even with Luis Castillo's reported salary of $24.15 million, the combined 2024 salaries for Seattle's projected rotation will be less than the 2024 salary of Max Scherzer, Justin Verlander, Jacob deGrom, Gerrit Cole, Patrick Corbin or Stephen Strasburg:
https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/rankings/sa ... g-pitcher/
Absent a roster change, Seattle will pay Anthony DeSclafani $12 million for rotation depth but the Mariners are no longer burdened with the $24 million salary of a sidelined Robbie Ray.
The Mariners have at least four seasons of team control over projected starters Luis Castillo, George Kirby, Logan Gilber, Bryce Miller and Bryan Woo. The $73 million remaining on Ray's was too costly insurance against eventual starter attrition.
https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/rankings/sa ... g-pitcher/
Absent a roster change, Seattle will pay Anthony DeSclafani $12 million for rotation depth but the Mariners are no longer burdened with the $24 million salary of a sidelined Robbie Ray.
The Mariners have at least four seasons of team control over projected starters Luis Castillo, George Kirby, Logan Gilber, Bryce Miller and Bryan Woo. The $73 million remaining on Ray's was too costly insurance against eventual starter attrition.
Re: Hanniger back with Descaflanie , Ray gone
I would have been more valuable to the team than RR in 2024. I Could throw mop up duty. He could not.harmony wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 9:18 pmEven with Luis Castillo's reported salary of $24.15 million, the combined 2024 salaries for Seattle's projected rotation will be less than the 2024 salary of Max Scherzer, Justin Verlander, Jacob deGrom, Gerrit Cole, Patrick Corbin or Stephen Strasburg:
https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/rankings/sa ... g-pitcher/
Absent a roster change, Seattle will pay Anthony DeSclafani $12 million for rotation depth but the Mariners are no longer burdened with the $24 million salary of a sidelined Robbie Ray.
The Mariners have at least four seasons of team control over projected starters Luis Castillo, George Kirby, Logan Gilber, Bryce Miller and Bryan Woo. The $73 million remaining on Ray's was too costly insurance against eventual starter attrition.
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Re: Hanniger back with Descaflanie , Ray gone
Maybe do a trade like this. It saves about $7M. DeScaflani salary minus the $4 M in cash minus Merryweather's arb salary.
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Re: Hanniger back with Descaflanie , Ray gone
There's a pretty good chance you'd have been an upgrade over Pollock and La Stella also!D-train wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 9:30 pmI would have been more valuable to the team than RR in 2024. I Could throw mop up duty. He could not.harmony wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 9:18 pmEven with Luis Castillo's reported salary of $24.15 million, the combined 2024 salaries for Seattle's projected rotation will be less than the 2024 salary of Max Scherzer, Justin Verlander, Jacob deGrom, Gerrit Cole, Patrick Corbin or Stephen Strasburg:
https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/rankings/sa ... g-pitcher/
Absent a roster change, Seattle will pay Anthony DeSclafani $12 million for rotation depth but the Mariners are no longer burdened with the $24 million salary of a sidelined Robbie Ray.
The Mariners have at least four seasons of team control over projected starters Luis Castillo, George Kirby, Logan Gilber, Bryce Miller and Bryan Woo. The $73 million remaining on Ray's was too costly insurance against eventual starter attrition.
Re: Hanniger back with Descaflanie , Ray gone
Anthony DeSclafani (Another Italian) at least is name is fun to say.
But what do we have here?
In his 1st 6 starts of 2023 he was a top 5 pitcher 38 innings of 2.13 ERA
In his last 12 starts he was a 6.57 ERA guy and last pitched on July 23rd.
His injury was a flexor strain that did not require surgery and is expected to have a full ability for all baseball activities and be ready for ST. But not 100% guarantee as if anything was.
If you look at his baseball ref page it says he is a 101 ERA+ but in only 1 season was he with in 10 points of that +/-. In 2015 he pitched to a 98 ERA+ in 184&2/3rds innings
The Good years
2021 & 2016 130 ERA+ (168, and 123 innings)
2019 120 ERA+ (167 inning)
The Bad
2023 87 ERA+ 99 innings
2022 64 in 19 innings
2020 68 in 33 innings injured
2018 84 in 115 innings
And the Meh
2015 98 ERA+ in 184 innings
On the Locked-on Pod one of them dived in with his bad performance last year being attributable to dropping from a 70's percentile in extension down to about 50th percentile. Maybe they think he will rebound with health. I'd say that it is about a 50% coin flip on weather he will be at least average if not above average or a disaster.
I wonder if the Giants missing out on Ohtani-Yamamoto had a contribution in us pulling this off. With the Giants punting this year so they get Ray back on a 2 year 50M dollar contract. And if he comes back next year at some point it is gravy. When did Ray get surgery I know he was trying to do non-surgical therapy so he delayed the procedure. (May 3rd) So he wasted a little over a month.
But what do we have here?
In his 1st 6 starts of 2023 he was a top 5 pitcher 38 innings of 2.13 ERA
In his last 12 starts he was a 6.57 ERA guy and last pitched on July 23rd.
His injury was a flexor strain that did not require surgery and is expected to have a full ability for all baseball activities and be ready for ST. But not 100% guarantee as if anything was.
If you look at his baseball ref page it says he is a 101 ERA+ but in only 1 season was he with in 10 points of that +/-. In 2015 he pitched to a 98 ERA+ in 184&2/3rds innings
The Good years
2021 & 2016 130 ERA+ (168, and 123 innings)
2019 120 ERA+ (167 inning)
The Bad
2023 87 ERA+ 99 innings
2022 64 in 19 innings
2020 68 in 33 innings injured
2018 84 in 115 innings
And the Meh
2015 98 ERA+ in 184 innings
On the Locked-on Pod one of them dived in with his bad performance last year being attributable to dropping from a 70's percentile in extension down to about 50th percentile. Maybe they think he will rebound with health. I'd say that it is about a 50% coin flip on weather he will be at least average if not above average or a disaster.
I wonder if the Giants missing out on Ohtani-Yamamoto had a contribution in us pulling this off. With the Giants punting this year so they get Ray back on a 2 year 50M dollar contract. And if he comes back next year at some point it is gravy. When did Ray get surgery I know he was trying to do non-surgical therapy so he delayed the procedure. (May 3rd) So he wasted a little over a month.
Re: Hanniger back with Descaflanie , Ray gone
Circumstances change.
When Seattle signed Cy Young winner Robbie Ray to a five-year, $115 million contract in November 2021, Luis Castillo was not on the Mariners. Logan Gilbert was coming off a rookie season with an ERA+ of 88 in 24 starts. George Kirby, Bryce Miller and Bryan Woo had never thrown an MLB pitch.
The Mariners have at least four years of team control over the promising rotation of Castillo, Kirby, Gilbert, Miller and Woo. The $73 million owed Ray was too expensive as insurance against almost inevitable attrition.
When Seattle signed Cy Young winner Robbie Ray to a five-year, $115 million contract in November 2021, Luis Castillo was not on the Mariners. Logan Gilbert was coming off a rookie season with an ERA+ of 88 in 24 starts. George Kirby, Bryce Miller and Bryan Woo had never thrown an MLB pitch.
The Mariners have at least four years of team control over the promising rotation of Castillo, Kirby, Gilbert, Miller and Woo. The $73 million owed Ray was too expensive as insurance against almost inevitable attrition.
Re: Hanniger back with Descaflanie , Ray gone
I just don't get it from the Giants perspective. Ray will have to put up about 8 WAR in 2025-26 to justify it. No chance.harmony wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 5:56 pmCircumstances change.
When Seattle signed Cy Young winner Robbie Ray to a five-year, $115 million contract in November 2021, Luis Castillo was not on the Mariners. Logan Gilbert was coming off a rookie season with an ERA+ of 88 in 24 starts. George Kirby, Bryce Miller and Bryan Woo had never thrown an MLB pitch.
The Mariners have at least four years of team control over the promising rotation of Castillo, Kirby, Gilbert, Miller and Woo. The $73 million owed Ray was too expensive as insurance against almost inevitable attrition.
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