Ryan Poles and Matt Eberflus found an "elite" play-caller in Shane Waldron who is viewed as an A-1 OC around the NFL

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Ryan Poles and Matt Eberflus found an "elite" play-caller in Shane Waldron who is viewed as an A-1 OC around the NFL

Post by Donn Beach » Tue Jan 23, 2024 4:13 am

Thought this was interesting enough to get a thread. An in depth look at Shane Waldron. I was thinking play calling was considered Waldron's weakness, turns out he's an elite play caller and one of the best OC's in the business, who would have thunk. He only became available because of the Carroll firing so the bears were smart to grab him. It is interesting to compare this view of him to what Hawk fans generally seem to feel. They generally blame the offense issues on the offensive line. In fact Waldron is given credit for working around the line issues and reducing them
In Waldron, the Bears get a brilliant offensive mind from the Shanahan tree (Sean McVay branch). Waldron has worked for Bill Belichick, Mike Shanahan, McVay, and Carroll. He is adaptable and innovative, has play-called experience, and has worked with a number of different quarterbacks, including Kirk Cousins, Jared Goff, Russell Wilson, and Geno Smith.
When Waldron has his entire menu at his disposal, he's one of the best play-callers in the NFL.

From 2021-23, the Seahawks' offense trailed only the San Francisco 49ers (Kyle Shanahan), Green Bay Packers (Aaron Rodgers/Matt LaFleur), Buffalo Bills (Josh Allen), and Kansas City Chiefs (Patrick Mahomes/Andy Reid) in EPA per play on early downs.

Waldron had incredible success on early downs this past season, showing an ability to hide a horrific offensive line by keeping defenses on their heels.
Waldron also has a proven history of dialing up explosive plays. From 2021 to 23, the Seahawks had an explosive pass rate of 14 percent, which ranks ninth in the NFL, and an explosive run rate of 14.5 percent, which ranks fifth. During that time, the Seahawks are also fifth in yards per play (5.5).

"I think he's an elite play-caller," an NFC scout whose team has faced Waldron's offenses several times told NBC Sports Chicago. "Really creative schematically. He's good at covering up weaknesses. Their offensive line really struggled this year, and I thought he was able to mask it as well as anyone. He's incredibly smart and versatile. That offense will succeed no matter who the quarterback is. He'll figure it out."
https://www.nbcsportschicago.com/nfl/ch ... ms/534594/

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Post by Sibelius Hindemith » Tue Jan 23, 2024 4:21 am

On what do they base the conclusion that he is a "brilliant offensive mind"? He probably made the O line look worse than they were with his genius play-calling lol.

But nice troll thread Don! I took the bait...

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Post by Donn Beach » Tue Jan 23, 2024 4:34 am

It's a legitimate article, NBC sports, did you open it?

Like being a baseball manager
Waldron isn't perfect and took his fair share of criticism in Seattle. Shanahan and McVay are criticized a ton, and they are the two best in the NFL. It comes with being a play-caller

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Post by Donn Beach » Tue Jan 23, 2024 7:26 am

Okay, here's Corbin smith on Waldron being on the hot seat. He seems to think his play calling leaves something to be desired.
Struggling to implement adjustments to counter opposing defenses all season long, Waldron's offense has been haunted by diminishing performance in the second half of games. Thriving with scripted plays early in the game, the Seahawks rank seventh in points per game in the first quarter, but they have only scored 11 total offensive touchdowns in the second half in 12 games and rank 18th in third/fourth quarter points for the season, which doesn't reflect well on coaching.
https://www.si.com/nfl/seahawks/news/se ... ft-to-play

Was going to mention the NBC article pretty much glosses over their 3rd down issues

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Post by D-train » Tue Jan 23, 2024 12:07 pm

If Pete Carrol was Thomas Edison's boss he would have invented a plastic candle instead of a light bulb.
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Post by Sibelius Hindemith » Tue Jan 23, 2024 12:31 pm

D-train wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2024 12:07 pm
If Pete Carrol was Thomas Edison's boss he would have invented a plastic candle instead of a light bulb.
I think it's likely he interfered with how the defense was implemented but not so much the offense, given his background as a defensive player and coach.

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Post by D-train » Tue Jan 23, 2024 12:59 pm

Sibelius Hindemith wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2024 12:31 pm
D-train wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2024 12:07 pm
If Pete Carrol was Thomas Edison's boss he would have invented a plastic candle instead of a light bulb.
I think it's likely he interfered with how the defense was implemented but not so much the offense, given his background as a defensive player and coach.
He is risk averse to a MASSIVE fault. I am sure he let SW calls plays but those plays have to be within the framework of his inane "Can't win until the 4Q" policy.
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Post by Michael K. » Tue Jan 23, 2024 3:05 pm

They suck on third down and in the RedZone. But he is a genius?

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Post by Donn Beach » Tue Jan 30, 2024 11:45 am

Hurtt to the eagles to coach their Dline. Interesting in the sense they have a heck of a Dline that seemed to under perform. Bringing an assistant with him Karl Scott

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Post by D-train » Tue Jan 30, 2024 12:11 pm

Donn Beach wrote:
Tue Jan 30, 2024 11:45 am
Hurtt to the eagles to coach their Dline. Interesting in the sense they have a heck of a Dline that seemed to under perform. Bringing an assistant with him Karl Scott
He was OBVIOUSLY in over his head as a DC. Such an inane DEI hire. Probably one of the reasons PC is gone.
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