The Niners fire their DC!

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The Niners fire their DC!

Post by Michael K. » Wed Feb 14, 2024 10:56 pm

Can you imagine the party that would be thrown for our DC if we were as good as the Niners? Just shows you that moving on is not the worst thing in the world. Unless you live in Southern Alaska. LOL

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/49er ... D=43217563
In 2023, the 49ers finished with the No. 8 defense in the NFL (303.9 total yards allowed per game), and No. 3 scoring defense (17.5).

Despite having the No. 3 rush defense in the regular season, the 49ers allowed the most rushing yards per game (159.0) in a postseason by a team entering the Super Bowl since the 1966 Green Bay Packers. San Francisco allowed 130 rushing yards in the 25-22 loss to Kansas City, including 66 rushing yards to quarterback Patrick Mahomes.
So, the guy was pretty good in the regular season, fucked up and the team lost the Super Bowl, and he is gone. Good thing for Bevell that isn't how things are here.

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Re: The Niners fire their DC!

Post by Sibelius Hindemith » Thu Feb 15, 2024 2:07 am

Well, that's one black coach they won't be getting draft compensation for. Looks like they went to the DEI well one too many times.

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Re: The Niners fire their DC!

Post by D-train » Thu Feb 15, 2024 11:46 am

Sibelius Hindemith wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2024 2:07 am
Well, that's one black coach they won't be getting draft compensation for. Looks like they went to the DEI well one too many times.
Reminds me of a rhyme I have seen a few times..... :)
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Re: The Niners fire their DC!

Post by 57reasons » Fri Feb 16, 2024 9:07 pm

Sibelius Hindemith wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2024 2:07 am
Well, that's one black coach they won't be getting draft compensation for. Looks like they went to the DEI well one too many times.
????? His defense this year was BETTER than the prolific defense the year before in ppg, ypg, etc., the same D that propelled DeMeco Ryans and before that Robert Saleh to bigger gigs as HC. But Shanahan has some personal beef so this poor guy gets thrown under the bus with zero landing opportunities thanks to their deepest possible playoff run. Held the preeminent Mahomes to one touchdown and 19 points in regulation - this is the guy you wanna discredit as a DEI hire???
If McDonald handnt of just filled that position i'd gladly bring Wilks on board.

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Re: The Niners fire their DC!

Post by Sibelius Hindemith » Fri Feb 16, 2024 10:50 pm

Shanahan had a personal beef with him? What was that?

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Re: The Niners fire their DC!

Post by 57reasons » Sat Feb 17, 2024 12:14 am

Sibelius Hindemith wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2024 10:50 pm
Shanahan had a personal beef with him? What was that?
dunno, just logical speculation since performance-wise it makes no sense. Shanahan taking heat for his SB decision-making - lotta folks thinking he's deflecting somehow, making Wilks a scapegoat.

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Re: The Niners fire their DC!

Post by Sibelius Hindemith » Sat Feb 17, 2024 1:11 am

Maybe you're right, but a lot of people seem to think the 49ers had an elite roster on the D side the past couple years so perhaps another DC could get more out of them.

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Re: The Niners fire their DC!

Post by Donn Beach » Sat Feb 17, 2024 1:35 am

Beef might be too strong but seems there was a disconnect between Wilks and Shanahan as well as one between Wilks and his players. They been through four DCs the last five years. Sort of the opposite of Pete and his being too loyal complaint
Even if the 49ers had won the Super Bowl, it felt that a Wilks firing was inevitable, as San Francisco has been an organization that has cut their losses at the right moment, rather than delaying those issues.

This wasn’t a decision that was made to call out a scapegoat; instead, this was a move that had been brewing over the entire second half of the season, and ultimately the way San Francisco had to go for better results in 2024.

Overall, this is a move that still reflects on Kyle Shanahan, who tasked the wrong man for the job, especially when considering the 49ers’ desired scheme and the style that Wilks has been accustomed to at his previous stops.

Now, after it felt that Shanahan had to take a more hands-on approach this season on the defensive end, he’ll hope to erase those issues by nailing his next hire at defensive coordinator.

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Post by trharder » Sat Feb 17, 2024 3:18 pm

I've heard over and over that the Seahawks SB loss basically ruined the chemistry of the Seahawks and
they were never the same. I've even heard Pete allude to it, so I guess it's somewhat true.

If after that loss Pete would have fired Bevel. "We've decided to part ways with Darrell Bevel"...
Would that have changed things and avoided the crash?

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Re: The Niners fire their DC!

Post by Bil522 » Sun Feb 18, 2024 1:01 am

The reason Wilks was fired is because he was not a Seahawks defensive guy.

Here is an article about in from Tim Kwakumi of the Athletic

A year ago, Kyle Shanahan gave Steve Wilks a great opportunity that was also mostly unfair to him at the very same time. Both things. Built upon each other.

A great job because it was difficult enough that anyone who succeeded would be heralded as a great defensive mind and possibly delivered a head-coaching job at the next convenient moment. Difficult because it was loaded with great players, great resources, great responsibility and the greatest expectations.

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Which is why it’s logical to say that Shanahan’s decision to fire Wilks as the 49ers’ defensive coordinator on Wednesday was two partially contradictory things at the same time — an extremely awkward moment of very public Super Bowl-loss scapegoating and also the logical conclusion of a failed year-long experiment.

It could’ve worked, if Wilks developed more chemistry with Fred Warner, Nick Bosa and the rest of the defense in the short time he had, but he didn’t. Wilks, who came up as a defensive secondary coach, was a bit more reserved and much more focused on the defensive backfield than they’re used to. And it became clearer every week that the 49ers’ top defensive players just didn’t fully believe in their DC.

It could’ve worked if Shanahan was willing to adjust some more, but he wasn’t. It could’ve worked if the 49ers’ defense was a little more focused and a lot less confused during the playoffs. But those distracted moments kept piling up through the Green Bay and Detroit games and then all the way into the last minutes against the Chiefs, when Shanahan at one point called timeout to get the 49ers out of a defensive call he hated and then another when linebacker Oren Burks pinballed around the formation, looking anxiously toward the sideline, before a critical third-down snap trying to figure out where he was supposed to line up. Patrick Mahomes quickly completed a pass for a first down on that play, of course.

And then, in his postgame session, Bosa flatly said that the defense was not prepared well enough to defend Mahomes running the ball on two back-breaking plays. Once Bosa said this, it was pretty clear that Wilks’ status was in serious jeopardy. Three days later, he was out of a job.

But I don’t know if anybody outside of the 49ers’ defensive hive mind could’ve avoided a firing at this point. I do know that Wilks, who wasn’t part of the 49ers’ culture when he was hired and never could find a way to merge with it, is now without a job. It’s a bad look to fire somebody with such a good reputation in the days after a failed Super Bowl. But if you believe Shanahan’s explanation on Wednesday, and I do, it’s not a scapegoating as much as an admission that Shanahan and John Lynch made a mistake when they hired Wilks in the first place.

It wasn’t his fault as much as it was theirs.

Steve Wilks
A mid-year move from the booth down to the sidelines paid dividends for Steve Wilks and the 49ers’ D, but renewed struggles in the playoffs led to Wednesday’s firing. (Kevin Sabitus / Getty Images)
The 49ers simply have a very specific way of running their defense, which was initiated by Robert Saleh in his three DC years before moving on to the Jets’ top job and was elevated by DeMeco Ryans, previously the linebackers coach under Saleh, in his two DC years before he got his own top job in Houston.

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The 49ers needed more of that. It was up to them to realize that Wilks wasn’t going to give it to them, and they realized it too late. But there’s context: The 49ers didn’t have a strong in-house candidate to replace Ryans last year and they couldn’t land Vic Fangio, who ended up with the Dolphins (and is now with the Eagles).

Shanahan and Lynch logically wanted to keep the same Seahawks-style Cover 3 scheme that fits their roster so well, but they also wanted an authoritative figure. Wilks had the authority, but no experience in the Seattle system. So the 49ers’ brass just hoped he’d pick up on the scheme. But it never happened. Wilks was always the outsider looking in.

“Yes, that was the hardest part,” Shanahan said on a hastily convened conference call Wednesday. “I knew that was the challenge. It was tough. But it’s real tough losing DeMeco. It was tough losing Saleh (two years) before. But we’ve committed not just to this system but the players that have been in our system, from our D-line, our linebackers. Played in it for such a long time. It was my goal not to have to change all of them. And bringing in Steve, who was unbelievable in how loyal he was and him trying to do it.

“But it just ended up not being the right fit. It hurt for me to do this, but that’s exactly what I had to.”

So what happens now? Shanahan said he’d take a look at both internal and external candidates, and it’s always tricky to figure out which coaches from other teams are interested or available at this late date in the hiring cycle. But I think there are a few things we can conclude from this entire experience:

• The 49ers’ defensive stalwarts are all in their front seven. Their DC should come with a background either on the defensive line or the linebacking unit. Wilks coached the linebackers and defensive linemen, but he just never seemed part of them.

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“I don’t think that’s just solely because of his background with DBs,” Shanahan said. “I just think it has to do with the way we play linebacker and stuff like that. The way that Fred and Dre (Greenlaw) have done it here over the years and the way we’ve coached it. I mean, there’s no one way to do things. But you want to tie things together. And Steve was always working to do that, there’s no doubt about that. But it was just, for his background and how it ended up with us, it was harder than it needed to be. And felt it would improve if we’d go in a different direction.”

• Shanahan said he just wants the best DC possible and wouldn’t preclude looking for someone outside of the Seahawks’ defensive system, but it’s likely that the next DC will come from that coaching tree or will at least be closer to it than Wilks was.

• I don’t think highly regarded defensive line coach Kris Kocurek will be a live candidate. He’s extremely valuable (and well compensated) where he is and hasn’t ever seemed like a guy who is desperate to be a DC.

Defensive backs coach Daniel Bullocks is an up-and-comer, but his secondary background might be a barrier this time around.

Defensive passing game specialist Nick Sorensen is an interesting name, but his background before joining the 49ers in 2022 is mainly in special teams.

• Though I think jumping up and down on the sideline is more of a TV bit than actual coaching, the 49ers’ players like energy from their DC. Saleh and Ryans provided it. Wilks did not. (Shanahan doesn’t either, by the way. But offensive coaches rarely are sideline attention-getters. They’ve got to be calling or thinking about the next play.) I think Shanahan will be looking for a positive-vibes guy with this hire.

That the 49ers had to ask Wilks to move down from the booth and get in personal contact with his players on the sidelines at midseason was a giant red flag, even after it worked.

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• It doesn’t seem likely that the 49ers will chase after one of the very famous former head coaches with defensive backgrounds — Mike Vrabel, Brandon Staley, Ron Rivera or even Bill Belichick or Pete Carroll. That would set up even more of an Outsider dynamic, since those guys have done it their way for so long and, in Belichick and Carroll’s cases, haven’t been anything but head coaches for decades.

Saleh wasn’t a big name when he took over the 49ers’ defense, but he was a perfect fit alongside Shanahan and had known Shanahan for years. Ryans was a fairly inexperienced coach when he moved up to replace Saleh, but he was wholly part of the 49ers’ culture and just a natural leader and play caller. I don’t know if the perfect candidate is out there, but I don’t think it has to be a big name. It just has to be somebody who fits the culture and feels like an insider almost right away.

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