Doom and Gloom GT 9-28

[Pharmabro]

Lineup to follow!

I can now guarantee that I will finish the GTs!

Or at least have the right to.

[Pharmabro]

Dan is 19-13 at the helm of good ship Mariner. (.593 winning percentage) The best team in the AL has a .578 win rate. The M's in the Edgar era have the #4 ranked offense by WRC+.

If I am Jerry I am begging Edgar for one year of his services.

[TridentHawk]

It sure would have been nice to have seen those two together for an entire season.

I just didn't understand why there were so much negativity associated with Dan Wilson when he was hired. Those of us that have been around for a while knew that it wasn't a hire made for reasons of nostalgia. Or at least that's what I had thought. Until I was listening to KJR on the day that it happened. Much to my dismay, those guys made it sound like the Mariners had hired some guy off the street who'd never put on a baseball uniform in his life. Not somebody that had damn near 40 years of baseball in his blood...professional basebal, and was mentored by Sweet Lou himself. Softy and Dick had Brett Boone on that day, and not only did he endorse the deal, he said it was great for the team and that Dan Wilson is a great hire He could not think of any one better suited for the job. And then as soon as Brett Boone was off of the air, Softy and Dick acted like they hadn't heard a word he said totally discounting a fourth generation ballplayer who might know a thing or two. And those two were literally the tip of the iceberg as on Twitter or X there was the same kind of crap being spewed. They were ready to discount the man before he had even managed a single inning. I couldn't get my mind wrapped around that opinion, without even giving the man a chance to prove himself. The fact that this man is a Mariners Hall of Famer and he still couldn't win them over even before he managed an inning, makes you wonder about the intelligence level of our fan base.

[D-train]

Great to see you here, Jason! I told you that you would fit in well here. Two more meaningless games to go then its wait until next year I just looked at VRBO and it says it is 167 days until our ST trip. LOL

[mostonmike]

It sure would have been nice to have seen those two together for an entire season.

I just didn't understand why there were so much negativity associated with Dan Wilson when he was hired. Those of us that have been around for a while knew that it wasn't a hire made for reasons of nostalgia. Or at least that's what I had thought. Until I was listening to KJR on the day that it happened. Much to my dismay, those guys made it sound like the Mariners had hired some guy off the street who'd never put on a baseball uniform in his life. Not somebody that had damn near 40 years of baseball in his blood...professional basebal, and was mentored by Sweet Lou himself. Softy and Dick had Brett Boone on that day, and not only did he endorse the deal, he said it was great for the team and that Dan Wilson is a great hire He could not think of any one better suited for the job. And then as soon as Brett Boone was off of the air, Softy and Dick acted like they hadn't heard a word he said totally discounting a fourth generation ballplayer who might know a thing or two. And those two were literally the tip of the iceberg as on Twitter or X there was the same kind of crap being spewed. They were ready to discount the man before he had even managed a single inning. I couldn't get my mind wrapped around that opinion, without even giving the man a chance to prove himself. The fact that this man is a Mariners Hall of Famer and he still couldn't win them over even before he managed an inning, makes you wonder about the intelligence level of our fan base.

I think that wrongly some people jumped to the conclusion that hiring him internally from "special assignment coordinator on the Minor League side" was probably just doing it on the cheap and creating Scott Servais Mark II. It is quite a leap from that role to the manager's position to be fair.

Despite missing the play-offs he has made a promising start, so lets see where he goes from here. If getting a decent hitting coach was his top priority i.e. Edgar this year, then he's already passed his first big test.

[TridentHawk]

It sure would have been nice to have seen those two together for an entire season.

I just didn't understand why there were so much negativity associated with Dan Wilson when he was hired. Those of us that have been around for a while knew that it wasn't a hire made for reasons of nostalgia. Or at least that's what I had thought. Until I was listening to KJR on the day that it happened. Much to my dismay, those guys made it sound like the Mariners had hired some guy off the street who'd never put on a baseball uniform in his life. Not somebody that had damn near 40 years of baseball in his blood...professional basebal, and was mentored by Sweet Lou himself. Softy and Dick had Brett Boone on that day, and not only did he endorse the deal, he said it was great for the team and that Dan Wilson is a great hire He could not think of any one better suited for the job. And then as soon as Brett Boone was off of the air, Softy and Dick acted like they hadn't heard a word he said totally discounting a fourth generation ballplayer who might know a thing or two. And those two were literally the tip of the iceberg as on Twitter or X there was the same kind of crap being spewed. They were ready to discount the man before he had even managed a single inning. I couldn't get my mind wrapped around that opinion, without even giving the man a chance to prove himself. The fact that this man is a Mariners Hall of Famer and he still couldn't win them over even before he managed an inning, makes you wonder about the intelligence level of our fan base.

I think that wrongly some people jumped to the conclusion that hiring him internally from "special assignment coordinator on the Minor League side" was probably just doing it on the cheap and creating Scott Servais Mark II. It is quite a leap from that role to the manager's position to be fair.

Despite missing the play-offs he has made a promising start, so lets see where he goes from here. If getting a decent hitting coach was his top priority i.e. Edgar this year, then he's already passed his first big test.

No it's not. And that's my point. Dan Wilson, first of all is a catcher. As you are well aware, a catcher is essentially the manager on the field. Not only that, but this particular one was mentored and was a protege (for real) of Lou Pinella. So no, it's not a leap. Not even close to a leap. What it was was a great hire and I for one am incredibly happy that he is now manning the helm in the dugout.

[TridentHawk]

Great to see you here, Jason! I told you that you would fit in well here. Two more meaningless games to go then its wait until next year I just looked at VRBO and it says it is 167 days until our ST trip. LOL

My blood pressure is already rising, but you know, what the hell... Actually, I really like having a place to come and be a part of something that isn't X, because it's so convoluted and filled with ignorance in there.

[TridentHawk]

It sure would have been nice to have seen those two together for an entire season.

I just didn't understand why there were so much negativity associated with Dan Wilson when he was hired. Those of us that have been around for a while knew that it wasn't a hire made for reasons of nostalgia. Or at least that's what I had thought. Until I was listening to KJR on the day that it happened. Much to my dismay, those guys made it sound like the Mariners had hired some guy off the street who'd never put on a baseball uniform in his life. Not somebody that had damn near 40 years of baseball in his blood...professional basebal, and was mentored by Sweet Lou himself. Softy and Dick had Brett Boone on that day, and not only did he endorse the deal, he said it was great for the team and that Dan Wilson is a great hire He could not think of any one better suited for the job. And then as soon as Brett Boone was off of the air, Softy and Dick acted like they hadn't heard a word he said totally discounting a fourth generation ballplayer who might know a thing or two. And those two were literally the tip of the iceberg as on Twitter or X there was the same kind of crap being spewed. They were ready to discount the man before he had even managed a single inning. I couldn't get my mind wrapped around that opinion, without even giving the man a chance to prove himself. The fact that this man is a Mariners Hall of Famer and he still couldn't win them over even before he managed an inning, makes you wonder about the intelligence level of our fan base.

I think that wrongly some people jumped to the conclusion that hiring him internally from "special assignment coordinator on the Minor League side" was probably just doing it on the cheap and creating Scott Servais Mark II. It is quite a leap from that role to the manager's position to be fair.

Despite missing the play-offs he has made a promising start, so lets see where he goes from here. If getting a decent hitting coach was his top priority i.e. Edgar this year, then he's already passed his first big test.

Lou Pinella and what he said is what really sold me on the hiring of Dan Wilson:


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On the day that Dan Wilson was hired as manager of the Mariners somewhere Lou Pinella Gave an interview in which he stated that Dan Wilson was a great hire. Can you please find that and give me the link?

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Lou Piniella had high praise for Dan Wilson when he was hired as the Mariners’ manager. Piniella, who managed the Mariners for 10 seasons, expressed his support for Wilson, highlighting his respect and leadership qualities. He mentioned that he had advocated for Wilson to be given a managerial role for years
https://sodomojo.com/posts/beloved-form ... j67njes6zp

[mostonmike]

No it's not. And that's my point. Dan Wilson, first of all is a catcher. As you are well aware, a catcher is essentially the manager on the field. Not only that, but this particular one was mentored and was a protege (for real) of Lou Pinella. So no, it's not a leap. Not even close to a leap. What it was was a great hire and I for one am incredibly happy that he is now manning the helm in the dugout.

A Piniella protégé would be some thing, but just as some people have been critical of the appointment - lets also not get carried away that he is the second coming of Lou just yet. Its a promising start but also a small sample size. Anyone who becomes a manager in any sport or industry for the first time IS making a big leap. Huge leap in responsibility even if he might be the natural successor.

For instance, here is one call he got wrong and it was called by humble me in the Game Thread (12 Sep vs Texas L4-5) It was 5am for me and I could see it.
https://www.marinertalk.com/viewtopic.p ... 90#p307997
Snider had just given up a lead from 2-4 to 4-4 and he brings in Saucedo to face lefty Nathan Lowe - its a call that Servais made dozens of times based on data. I can only guess what he was thinking but IMHO this was a call that he made where he followed the data and not his instinct and the momentum of the game. Saucedo didn't get the out, Lowe drove in the winning run on that next play and it cost the game. That was a data decision that Dan the catcher probably wouldn't have made. He wasn't strong enough yet as a manager to ignore the crib sheet and follow his instinct.

But credit to the guy - I think he learns from the decisions he makes. Times he will trust his instinct and experiences, others he might be guided by the data. But he's not got the experience yet, the fanbase is impatient and he's got a tough job on his hands. I'm in Team Wilson for sure and rooting for him massively - if he stays true to himself he will be a massive success here. Its not easy to stay true to yourself when the success of the team is in your shoulders.

[TridentHawk]

Lou is regarded as one of the best managers in baseball over the last 50 years and says that DW is qualified and given a ringing endorsement. I would think that Lou is capable of making that determination,don't you?