Doom and Gloom GT 9-28

[mostonmike]

Lou is regarded as one of the best managers in baseball over the last 50 years and says that DW is qualified and given a ringing endorsement. I would think that Lou is capable of making that determination,don't you?

I was being cautiously optimistic, but you highlighted a specific part of my post so I will call it out.

Here’s a classic example where the universally accepted greatest manager of all time (not just “one of the best”) almost hand-picked his successor and he was a disaster who never completed a full season.
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/footb ... 83446.html

So no, it doesn’t follow that a manager is capable of making that determination. The quoted example was the greatest ever manager making a determination from his current experience right at the very time he was retiring and he got it completely wrong. Ferguson is 82 now and no-one would take his opinion into account when recruiting managers. Lou is of a similar age and 14 years out-of-the-game (Ferguson 11 years)

His opinion is still very valuable nonetheless and important but you seem to be telling me that I should accept it unconditionally. I don’t think so, it’s nice to hear what he thinks but I will judge Wilson on his results, style and decision making, thank you very much. For now I am happy to remain cautiously optimistic.

[mostonmike]

I just ran our debate through AI so perhaps you might believe it now.


Sent by you:
i understand that you dont have facts to support your opinion but would you consider it a big jump in responsibility to be a successful player who is mentored by a very successful manager to be promoted from special assignment coordinator on a Minor League baseball team to become a major league on-field manager?

Sent by Copilot:
Absolutely, it would still be a significant jump in responsibility. Even for a successful player who has been mentored by a very successful manager, transitioning from a special assignment coordinator in the Minor Leagues to a Major League on-field manager involves a considerable increase in duties and expectations.

While being a successful player and having a great mentor can provide valuable insights and experience, the role of a Major League manager is multifaceted. It requires not only a deep understanding of the game but also strong leadership, strategic decision-making, and the ability to manage diverse personalities and high-pressure situations.

The skills and knowledge gained as a player and through mentorship are undoubtedly beneficial, but the responsibilities of a Major League manager extend beyond what is typically encountered in those roles. It involves overseeing the entire team’s performance, making critical in-game decisions, handling media relations, and ensuring the overall success of the team at the highest level of professional baseball.

It’s a challenging transition, but with the right preparation and support, it can be a rewarding and successful move.

[Donn Beach]

His training was more about his seasons as a ML catcher. That was his training. If you look at ML managers that's going to be a lot of it. I think Wilson has had more post career training than many. I think your typical ML manager is an ex catcher, they have had a few seasons as a ML coach. If you're thinking they come up through the ranks of minor League managing they don't. I can't think of any at least. They typically are ex major leaguers, they are not being asked to go manage a AA team somewhere to Learn how to manage. Go look at the experience of current managers, I'd be curious. Lou Pinella went straight from his baseball career to ML managing

[Donn Beach]

Terms of Wilson I think this is something that's been planned, he's been groomed. It took me by surprise but I hadn't realized what he had been up. It wasn't that they planned to fire SS but they were prepared to. Like I said before, managers have a shelf Life. Servais had been there for nine years. That's a heck of a long time for a manager. In terms of SS and dipoto being buddies. Servais Learned he was fired from the media, that's some buddy