Early Hot Stove plan

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Re: Early Hot Stove plan

Post by Seattle or Bust » Sun Oct 06, 2024 2:42 am

Pharmabro wrote:
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The even odd year phenomena is the weirdest of all time.
Semien does the same shit lol
There have been a few!

Marcus reminded me of JP.

Marcus S. 1st 8 years +1 OPS+: 80, 93, 98, 99, 97, 95, 139, 89, 131

JP's 1st 8 years 77, 90, 86, 91, 102, 100, 133, 86,
The big difference being Semien's raw slug compared to JP.

He's had seasons of 27, 33, 45, 26, 29 homers.

JP will never do that which is why his floor is so low. He needs to have a .370 OBP and never strike out to have a good year. Slim margin for a guy I wouldn't call an elite contact hitter.

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Re: Early Hot Stove plan

Post by Donn Beach » Sun Oct 06, 2024 3:48 am

I think Crawford could bounce back if you account for injury. Think he'd been injury free up until this season

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Re: Early Hot Stove plan

Post by Seattle or Bust » Sun Oct 06, 2024 4:23 am

Donn Beach wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2024 3:48 am
I think Crawford could bounce back if you account for injury. Think he'd been injury free up until this season
Well ya, it should be easy to bounce back from an 86 OPS+.

Now what does that look like? I'm not banking on anything more than around a league-average bat.

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Re: Early Hot Stove plan

Post by GL_Storm » Sun Oct 06, 2024 7:13 am

JP is an adequate shortstop. That's it. I suppose he's a marginally better option vs. Leo Rivas. I doubt he ends his career as a Mariner.

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Re: Early Hot Stove plan

Post by Seattle or Bust » Sun Oct 06, 2024 7:59 am

GL_Storm wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2024 7:13 am
JP is an adequate shortstop. That's it. I suppose he's a marginally better option vs. Leo Rivas. I doubt he ends his career as a Mariner.
JP put up 1.7 fWAR as a SS... that's 24th in the league among players with 200 AB's as a SS. And that's with an "ok" year defensively.

We would have taken adequate in 2024.

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Re: Early Hot Stove plan

Post by GL_Storm » Sun Oct 06, 2024 8:38 am

Seattle or Bust wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2024 7:59 am
GL_Storm wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2024 7:13 am
JP is an adequate shortstop. That's it. I suppose he's a marginally better option vs. Leo Rivas. I doubt he ends his career as a Mariner.
JP put up 1.7 fWAR as a SS... that's 24th in the league among players with 200 AB's as a SS. And that's with an "ok" year defensively.

We would have taken adequate in 2024.
I don't think it's worth arguing the point.

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Re: Early Hot Stove plan

Post by Donn Beach » Mon Oct 07, 2024 7:49 am

Wilson on Crawford, managers all sound the same
He’s battling,” Wilson said. “He’s trying to get on base and he’s doing what he can at the top of the lineup. He’s finding his walks, but it does take a little bit of time once you’ve been off to find your footing. It’s coming.”

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Re: Early Hot Stove plan

Post by Seattle or Bust » Mon Oct 07, 2024 4:17 pm

Donn Beach wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2024 7:49 am
Wilson on Crawford, managers all sound the same
He’s battling,” Wilson said. “He’s trying to get on base and he’s doing what he can at the top of the lineup. He’s finding his walks, but it does take a little bit of time once you’ve been off to find your footing. It’s coming.”
Not sure when he said that... you have a habit of pulling really early quotes and framing them weirdly.

JP played in 25 games in September and posted a .214/.307/.270/.577 slash.

So it never came. And I'm sure the FO isn't happy about paying him $11 million to hit like that.

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Re: Early Hot Stove plan

Post by Donn Beach » Mon Oct 07, 2024 5:26 pm

He said it when he was manager, not sure how that would make it particularly early. It was when Crawford was back after breaking his finger.

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Re: Early Hot Stove plan

Post by Seattle or Bust » Mon Oct 07, 2024 6:07 pm

Donn Beach wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2024 5:26 pm
He said it when he was manager, not sure how that would make it particularly early. It was when Crawford was back after breaking his finger.
Great. If he said it just after returning… which I suspect. JP did in fact not come around.

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