Off Season Plan

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Re: Off Season Plan

Post by Pharmabro » Sat Oct 05, 2024 9:17 am

Vogelbomb wrote:
Thu Oct 03, 2024 12:50 am
I think the pen should be about 75 percent of the offseason focus. It's where you have the most options and fell short the hardest. 10 blown saves in '24?

1-I'm picking up Polanco's option. It's one season at $12m. What's the point of quibbling over an extra $2-3m? My thought is this: Polanco is a switch-hitter, can move over and play 3b, can also back up at 2b and SS. What better option is there for 3b? and 2, what will that option cost? I think Polanco will rebound with a solid season especially with Edgar hanging around to help him mentally. And I want the flexibility to bring up our prospects at 3b and ss in 26 and beyond. You've got Arroyo, Young knocking on the door. Another year and Emerson, Celesten will be.
2-re-sign Yimi. As long as the meds check out, re-up this guy. He's lights out.
3-non-tender Saucedo; tender everyone else including Urias
4-re-sign Turner. 1 yr, $8m?
5-peg Ryan Bliss for 2B 162gm. No platoon. Let him do his thing. I think he should leadoff, too.
6-see if you can move Haniger, Canzone, Moore
7-execute your plan in the pen. I'm not a Munoz fan. I think he's not a strong enough/reliable enough closer. I would look at my other options. Maybe it's Taylor?
8-move Brash to the rotation. He's projected to return sometime in May according to my sources. And Brash is said to still want to be a starter. I think by doing this you keep him healthy (gives him regular 5-6 days off). His soggy arm wasn't bouncing back as a reliever. Put him in AAA with Hancock and Evans and you've got options when Woo hits the IL or you encounter a doubleheader. And you can slowly build him back up. Guys are never strong first year back from TJ. Takes about 100 innings to get back into form.

LINEUP
1 Bliss 2b
2 Robles rf
3 Rodriguez cf
4 Raleigh c
5 Arozarena lf
6 Raley 1b
7 Polanco 3b
8 Garver/Turner dh
9 Crawford ss

BENCH
Turner
Urias
Rivas
Samad Taylor

ROTATION
1 Kirby
2 Gilbert
3 Castillo
4 Miller
5 Woo

PEN
Munoz
Garcia
Santos
Taylor
Thornton
Chargois
Speier
? closer option?

I think that team is a juggernaut honestly. The rotation is nails. You've got burgeoning superstars in Robles, Julio, Cal; you've got solid, above avg wRC+ guys in Raley, Polanco, Turner, potentially Bliss and Garver (I think he bounces back to form w/ new hitting coach + philosophy). And then you've got speed all over the place, too. The pen is capable. I'm down to add a legit closer option if there's one to be had. I'd prefer an 7-man pen and 5-man bench, but that probably won't be how the team is shaped.

There is a lot to digest here:

1st. Brash. You pulled him from set-up duty and kept your 2024 rotation.

2nd. Yimi. When he is healthy he is a stud. But I would rather get a lefty stud to match Brash, Santos, Munoz, etc. ( A. Chapman)

3. I don't hate Bliss as an option. The power/speed combo is impressive and he even held his own in MLB 102 OPS+.That said, I would rather not have to count as starters:
2B. Bliss (Unproven rookie)
3B Polanco (Bounce back)
DH Garver (Bounce-back), JT 40
SS JP bounce back

4. Tender everybody including Rojas, Urias, Speier, Trent, etc,etc,etc Why are you paying dudes that likely won't make the team out of Spring Training. Urias, alone will cost in the neighborhood of 6M. Rojas 4M, Trent 2M, FFS.

Is this a troll? :ugeek:

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Re: Off Season Plan

Post by Vogelbomb » Sat Oct 05, 2024 4:07 pm

Urias is a good player and worthy option off the bench. As I'm not dipping into FA at all, that cost isn't prohibitive for one season. The comments on Brash I've seen so far are uneducated. It's about keeping his arm healthy long term. He didn't even have a tear in the UCL and yet went under the knife simply because he wasn't feeling fresh after 3, 4 days. He should be starting. I don't want to see that going on anymore. And putting him in the pen is just going to make it more tempting to use him more often. I think that spells disaster long term

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Re: Off Season Plan

Post by Seattle or Bust » Sun Oct 06, 2024 4:43 am

Vogelbomb wrote:
Sat Oct 05, 2024 4:07 pm
Urias is a good player and worthy option off the bench. As I'm not dipping into FA at all, that cost isn't prohibitive for one season. The comments on Brash I've seen so far are uneducated. It's about keeping his arm healthy long term. He didn't even have a tear in the UCL and yet went under the knife simply because he wasn't feeling fresh after 3, 4 days. He should be starting. I don't want to see that going on anymore. And putting him in the pen is just going to make it more tempting to use him more often. I think that spells disaster long term
You realize he's got to be signed at $5+ million right? No way he'll sign with the M's if he's non-tendered.You realize they sent a 27 year old that they spent $5 million on to AAA and let him rot there? He wasn't even good in AAA. Use your brain bro. Dipoto isn't THAT stupid.

You stated that the M's had all the talent "in house" to turn around their offense. You highlighted Ty France specifically who the M's later DFA'd. He then went on to post an 85 OPS+ in Cinci, worse than the trash he provided in Seattle. You said Haniger and Garver would turn it around :lol: :lol: :lol: They then went out and signed Robles who hung a 155 OPS+... traded for Turner and Arozarena who put up 128 and 118 OPS+ and helped the offense have its best month in September.

You really wanna go the "your takes about Brash are not educated" after all that?

I'll bet my damned house that they will def NOT turn Brash into a starter. Holy fuck... your takes r insane.

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Re: Off Season Plan

Post by TravelersFan » Sun Oct 06, 2024 2:25 pm

Seattle or Bust wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2024 4:43 am
Vogelbomb wrote:
Sat Oct 05, 2024 4:07 pm
Urias is a good player and worthy option off the bench. As I'm not dipping into FA at all, that cost isn't prohibitive for one season. The comments on Brash I've seen so far are uneducated. It's about keeping his arm healthy long term. He didn't even have a tear in the UCL and yet went under the knife simply because he wasn't feeling fresh after 3, 4 days. He should be starting. I don't want to see that going on anymore. And putting him in the pen is just going to make it more tempting to use him more often. I think that spells disaster long term
You realize he's got to be signed at $5+ million right? No way he'll sign with the M's if he's non-tendered.You realize they sent a 27 year old that they spent $5 million on to AAA and let him rot there? He wasn't even good in AAA. Use your brain bro. Dipoto isn't THAT stupid.

You stated that the M's had all the talent "in house" to turn around their offense. You highlighted Ty France specifically who the M's later DFA'd. He then went on to post an 85 OPS+ in Cinci, worse than the trash he provided in Seattle. You said Haniger and Garver would turn it around :lol: :lol: :lol: They then went out and signed Robles who hung a 155 OPS+... traded for Turner and Arozarena who put up 128 and 118 OPS+ and helped the offense have its best month in September.

You really wanna go the "your takes about Brash are not educated" after all that?

I'll bet my damned house that they will def NOT turn Brash into a starter. Holy fuck... your takes r insane.
you're absolutely right about Urias. dude is useless and highly overpaid. and if you've ever seen him at the park, he is lazy with a shitty attitude -the exact opposite of 'Charlie Hustle'.

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Re: Off Season Plan

Post by D-train » Sun Oct 06, 2024 3:38 pm

TravelersFan wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2024 2:25 pm
Seattle or Bust wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2024 4:43 am
Vogelbomb wrote:
Sat Oct 05, 2024 4:07 pm
Urias is a good player and worthy option off the bench. As I'm not dipping into FA at all, that cost isn't prohibitive for one season. The comments on Brash I've seen so far are uneducated. It's about keeping his arm healthy long term. He didn't even have a tear in the UCL and yet went under the knife simply because he wasn't feeling fresh after 3, 4 days. He should be starting. I don't want to see that going on anymore. And putting him in the pen is just going to make it more tempting to use him more often. I think that spells disaster long term
You realize he's got to be signed at $5+ million right? No way he'll sign with the M's if he's non-tendered.You realize they sent a 27 year old that they spent $5 million on to AAA and let him rot there? He wasn't even good in AAA. Use your brain bro. Dipoto isn't THAT stupid.

You stated that the M's had all the talent "in house" to turn around their offense. You highlighted Ty France specifically who the M's later DFA'd. He then went on to post an 85 OPS+ in Cinci, worse than the trash he provided in Seattle. You said Haniger and Garver would turn it around :lol: :lol: :lol: They then went out and signed Robles who hung a 155 OPS+... traded for Turner and Arozarena who put up 128 and 118 OPS+ and helped the offense have its best month in September.

You really wanna go the "your takes about Brash are not educated" after all that?

I'll bet my damned house that they will def NOT turn Brash into a starter. Holy fuck... your takes r insane.
you're absolutely right about Urias. dude is useless and highly overpaid. and if you've ever seen him at the park, he is lazy with a shitty attitude -the exact opposite of 'Charlie Hustle'.
I have first hand knowledge that he is a complete POS.
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Re: Off Season Plan

Post by Vogelbomb » Sun Oct 06, 2024 4:37 pm

D-train wrote:
Thu Oct 03, 2024 1:06 am

I would rather have Julio Cruz' decaying corpse on this team than Polanco. You are basically promoting Ignorance is Bliss and calling it good to just run it back. Holy fuck man. How do you come up with this stuff.
Damn right I'm running it back. This is a good roster that underperformed because Brant Brown and Scott Servais were terrible coaches

And who the fuck in their right mind is giving up Cole Young and Jonny Farmelo for Brandon fucking Lowe?

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Re: Off Season Plan

Post by Vogelbomb » Sun Oct 06, 2024 4:44 pm

Seattle or Bust wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2024 4:43 am

You realize he's got to be signed at $5+ million right? No way he'll sign with the M's if he's non-tendered.You realize they sent a 27 year old that they spent $5 million on to AAA and let him rot there? He wasn't even good in AAA. Use your brain bro. Dipoto isn't THAT stupid.

You stated that the M's had all the talent "in house" to turn around their offense. You highlighted Ty France specifically who the M's later DFA'd. He then went on to post an 85 OPS+ in Cinci, worse than the trash he provided in Seattle. You said Haniger and Garver would turn it around :lol: :lol: :lol: They then went out and signed Robles who hung a 155 OPS+... traded for Turner and Arozarena who put up 128 and 118 OPS+ and helped the offense have its best month in September.

You really wanna go the "your takes about Brash are not educated" after all that?

I'll bet my damned house that they will def NOT turn Brash into a starter. Holy fuck... your takes r insane.
I always said Ty France had to go. You aren't remembering my posts accurately. And Garver has turned it around after Brown left. You don't need to have 9 All Stars. This team has Robles, Rodriguez, Raleigh, Raley and Arozarena all posting at least 110 wRC+. That's a great base for the lineup. You have an elite rotation only getting better. The bullpen needs to be fixed as Munoz is unreliable at closer and they don't have any lefties if you let Sauce walk which I've asked for since last season. He's a junk baller. Is Speier returning healthy?

You guys all want to make all these moves to upgrade at every spot. It's not realistic. At some point you have to give guys some rope, look at the circumstances of why a player who had success elsewhere has struggled, or put faith in a young player and his talents to go out and do his thing.

I take heart in Dipoto and I think alike. He certainly doesn't manage the way bpj or seattle or bust would so that's outstanding.

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Re: Off Season Plan

Post by OLdvanDawg » Sun Oct 06, 2024 4:57 pm

As long as the team is making money, there is no incentive to make any real moves.

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Re: Off Season Plan

Post by OLdvanDawg » Sun Oct 06, 2024 5:00 pm

I think the question that should be asked to management is if Griffey were 26 and a free agent, would they try to sign him. That is all you need to ask JD and management. They would probably say no. If they say yes, then that is a perfect way to say that Juan Soto is 2024/25 Griffey. Also, does management understand that if they signed someone like Soto, they’d bring in more revenue and probably go deep in the playoffs which would bring more revenue in.

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Re: Off Season Plan

Post by D-train » Sun Oct 06, 2024 5:02 pm

Vogelbomb wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2024 4:37 pm
D-train wrote:
Thu Oct 03, 2024 1:06 am

I would rather have Julio Cruz' decaying corpse on this team than Polanco. You are basically promoting Ignorance is Bliss and calling it good to just run it back. Holy fuck man. How do you come up with this stuff.
Damn right I'm running it back. This is a good roster that underperformed because Brant Brown and Scott Servais were terrible coaches

And who the fuck in their right mind is giving up Cole Young and Jonny Farmelo for Brandon fucking Lowe?
That would definitely be crazy.
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