Jude's Plan

[Seattle or Bust]

Gilbert 81.5M trade calc, Michael Arroyo 13.5M Ben Williams 6.8M
Total out 101.8M

Casas 19M
Brandon Lowe 16M from Rays
AAA SS Marcello Meyer 64.9M 1st Rd. pick #4

Total in 99.9M

Jude insinuates that "one of the 4 young pitchers is what it takes to get Casas." You made it sound like you were agreeing close to a 1:1.

What incentive do the Red Sox have to trade Mayer? There's nobody blocking him and he's a top prospect that will debut for them in '26. Their roster isn't good enough to trade from the strength of their farm. There's no middle infield depth at the MLB level for them or even close on the farm other than Mayer.

Conversely, why would the M's trade for Mayer? 3 of the top 5 prospects are SS prospects... all top 100. 2x with the M's within the next 2 seasons. Mayer doesn't help the M's in '25... trading Gilbert and getting a prospect back weakens the team's biggest strength for a year they're trying to contend.

The M's just don't match up as trade partner's with the Red Sox when it comes to trading MLB pitchers. Why wouldn't they just work a deal with the White Sox for Crochet purely with prospects and call it a day?

[bpj]

Muncy and Turner seem like more of the same bone head moves Dipoto has made that would backfire, but Casas is an obvious upgrade to the team.

Raley could get time in RF, CF, LF, 1B and DH with Dylan Moore filling the other Util role to cover 3B, SS and 2B.

[D-train]

Gilbert 81.5M trade calc, Michael Arroyo 13.5M Ben Williams 6.8M
Total out 101.8M

Casas 19M
Brandon Lowe 16M from Rays
AAA SS Marcello Meyer 64.9M 1st Rd. pick #4

Total in 99.9M

That would raise some eyebrows. Arroyo and BW to the Rays?

[Pharmabro]

Gilbert 81.5M trade calc, Michael Arroyo 13.5M Ben Williams 6.8M
Total out 101.8M

Casas 19M
Brandon Lowe 16M from Rays
AAA SS Marcello Meyer 64.9M 1st Rd. pick #4

Total in 99.9M

That would raise some eyebrows. Arroyo and BW to the Rays?

I had a similar trade pack going to the Rays for Lowe alone. But let's pretend that the Sox have someone the Rays want. Gilbert, was a big innings eater for the M's. And will only be entering Arb-one. The reason the Sox do it is to get a front line starter that will make around 3-4 million in year one. Meyer is a prospect. Like all prospects he has no guarantee. But he has hit AAA at age 21 and next year should JP, Lowe, or (Muncy?) get injured we could see him.

I had a similar trade come to mind involving Luis. It was for the braves 1B Matt Olson. It would be for 2 big trade guys who were extended post trade exchanged for each other.

All of these trade ideas are pretty far-fetched. There is no Washington Nationals World series team folding-up with multiple stud players available like: Trea Turner, Schwarber, Soto, Scherzer, Bell, etc. Nobody really has had candid conversations with the Braves and Dodgers and have been like: Hi, if the M's trade you Luis you would be willing to send Max, Olson, etc.

But what I like about the Luis trade is that it gives the M's a second chance at the Snell angle as well as bringing in a high level bat. I like the Muncy idea better because of the positions involved.

[Donn Beach]

Triston is pretty highly regarded. I don't know if WAR is that well suited to describe him since he's developing

He's also incredibly talented, with under-the-hood numbers that should tantalize any sabermetrically inclined team, which is pretty much all of them. Few players swing harder or find more barrels than Casas, who possesses easy 40-homer potential, but also rarely swings outside the strike zone. That's a rare combination.

If the old adage about needing to give something to get something is true, then Casas represents chief baseball officer Craig Breslow's prime trade chip this winter. He's young, skilled, and unfortunately left-handed, and the Red Sox need to break a logjam. Meaningful upgrades come at a steep cost. Perhaps it will be Casas

He may "barely swing outside of the strike zone" but sports a 27% K rate. 32% this year.

He may have good potential. But there's not a snowball's chance in hell that the M's trade Logan Gilbert for a 1B who hasn't put it together and has been injured a lot already.

This is who you just quoted:



He has a picture of Kevin Garnett in a Celtics uniform as his wallpaper on Twitter.

The hell makes him an expert or quotable lol?

He later says this: "Casas had a down year but still shouldn't be traded for less than someone like Logan Gilbert or George Kirby." Amazing how someone who aspires to be a sports writer can just drop a line like that but not quantify it... but then again, Jude is tenured at the Seattle Times.

It would take less than 30 minutes to try to research a time where a top 5 pitcher in baseball was traded for a 1B who has hung 2.7 fWAR over 222 games and spent 3/4th's of a season injured with a rib problem...

Here's a hint... SNOWBALL'S CHANCE IN HELL.

I don't know who that is or what the fuck you are talking about, want the link, how about just asking. Your gotcha moment? Sorry to disappoint you. Here is the link John Tomase NBC sports. I don't know what it would take to get Triston but he wouldn't be cheap. And when he's discussed in baseball circles his WAR isn't being brought up. But go for it if that's what you want to focus on. I might suggest putting the pipe down but that be up to you

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcspo ... 4/%3famp=1

[Seattle or Bust]

Triston is pretty highly regarded. I don't know if WAR is that well suited to describe him since he's developing

He may "barely swing outside of the strike zone" but sports a 27% K rate. 32% this year.

He may have good potential. But there's not a snowball's chance in hell that the M's trade Logan Gilbert for a 1B who hasn't put it together and has been injured a lot already.

This is who you just quoted:



He has a picture of Kevin Garnett in a Celtics uniform as his wallpaper on Twitter.

The hell makes him an expert or quotable lol?

He later says this: "Casas had a down year but still shouldn't be traded for less than someone like Logan Gilbert or George Kirby." Amazing how someone who aspires to be a sports writer can just drop a line like that but not quantify it... but then again, Jude is tenured at the Seattle Times.

It would take less than 30 minutes to try to research a time where a top 5 pitcher in baseball was traded for a 1B who has hung 2.7 fWAR over 222 games and spent 3/4th's of a season injured with a rib problem...

Here's a hint... SNOWBALL'S CHANCE IN HELL.

I don't know who that is or what the fuck you are talking about, want the link, how about just asking. Your gotcha moment? Sorry to disappoint you. Here is the link John Tomase NBC sports. I don't know what it would take to get Triston but he wouldn't be cheap. And when he's discussed in baseball circles his WAR isn't being brought up. But go for it if that's what you want to focus on. I might suggest putting the pipe down but that be up to you

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcspo ... 4/%3famp=1

Generally when you point to something to support a counterpoint… the person you’re quoting should have some authority. Otherwise why would you pull a quote?

A 20 year old Boston homer making zilch to produce random content for NESN is not authoritative. There’s no credibility.

Where are his sources? Did he speak to someone with the Red Sox who broke down what they expect to fetch for Casas? Did he speak to people close to the Mariners to get an idea for what Kirby and Gilbert might be valued at? Which scout told him other teams loved Casas’ metrics? Who told him that Casas is in a potential log jam and won’t be traded cheaply (those statements literally work counter to each other…)???

He doesn’t know shit if he thinks Casas can be had for Kirby or Gilbert. There’s your first clue.

[D-train]

Gilbert 81.5M trade calc, Michael Arroyo 13.5M Ben Williams 6.8M
Total out 101.8M

Casas 19M
Brandon Lowe 16M from Rays
AAA SS Marcello Meyer 64.9M 1st Rd. pick #4

Total in 99.9M

Jude insinuates that "one of the 4 young pitchers is what it takes to get Casas." You made it sound like you were agreeing close to a 1:1.

What incentive do the Red Sox have to trade Mayer? There's nobody blocking him and he's a top prospect that will debut for them in '26. Their roster isn't good enough to trade from the strength of their farm. There's no middle infield depth at the MLB level for them or even close on the farm other than Mayer.

Conversely, why would the M's trade for Mayer? 3 of the top 5 prospects are SS prospects... all top 100. 2x with the M's within the next 2 seasons. Mayer doesn't help the M's in '25... trading Gilbert and getting a prospect back weakens the team's biggest strength for a year they're trying to contend.

The M's just don't match up as trade partner's with the Red Sox when it comes to trading MLB pitchers. Why wouldn't they just work a deal with the White Sox for Crochet purely with prospects and call it a day?

He is almost 22yo. He will debut in 2025

[D-train]

Gilbert 81.5M trade calc, Michael Arroyo 13.5M Ben Williams 6.8M
Total out 101.8M

Casas 19M
Brandon Lowe 16M from Rays
AAA SS Marcello Meyer 64.9M 1st Rd. pick #4

Total in 99.9M

Jude insinuates that "one of the 4 young pitchers is what it takes to get Casas." You made it sound like you were agreeing close to a 1:1.

What incentive do the Red Sox have to trade Mayer? There's nobody blocking him and he's a top prospect that will debut for them in '26. Their roster isn't good enough to trade from the strength of their farm. There's no middle infield depth at the MLB level for them or even close on the farm other than Mayer.

Conversely, why would the M's trade for Mayer? 3 of the top 5 prospects are SS prospects... all top 100. 2x with the M's within the next 2 seasons. Mayer doesn't help the M's in '25... trading Gilbert and getting a prospect back weakens the team's biggest strength for a year they're trying to contend.

The M's just don't match up as trade partner's with the Red Sox when it comes to trading MLB pitchers. Why wouldn't they just work a deal with the White Sox for Crochet purely with prospects and call it a day?

Jerry said trading a starter is plan Z. The guy is a tool but I can't believe people don't believe him. He does what he says he is going to do.

[D-train]

Gilbert 81.5M trade calc, Michael Arroyo 13.5M Ben Williams 6.8M
Total out 101.8M

Casas 19M
Brandon Lowe 16M from Rays
AAA SS Marcello Meyer 64.9M 1st Rd. pick #4

Total in 99.9M

That would raise some eyebrows. Arroyo and BW to the Rays?

I had a similar trade pack going to the Rays for Lowe alone. But let's pretend that the Sox have someone the Rays want. Gilbert, was a big innings eater for the M's. And will only be entering Arb-one. The reason the Sox do it is to get a front line starter that will make around 3-4 million in year one. Meyer is a prospect. Like all prospects he has no guarantee. But he has hit AAA at age 21 and next year should JP, Lowe, or (Muncy?) get injured we could see him.

I had a similar trade come to mind involving Luis. It was for the braves 1B Matt Olson. It would be for 2 big trade guys who were extended post trade exchanged for each other.

All of these trade ideas are pretty far-fetched. There is no Washington Nationals World series team folding-up with multiple stud players available like: Trea Turner, Schwarber, Soto, Scherzer, Bell, etc. Nobody really has had candid conversations with the Braves and Dodgers and have been like: Hi, if the M's trade you Luis you would be willing to send Max, Olson, etc.

But what I like about the Luis trade is that it gives the M's a second chance at the Snell angle as well as bringing in a high level bat. I like the Muncy idea better because of the positions involved.

"Our team is here"
Dipoto dispelled speculation that the Mariners would be open to dealing young starting pitchers Logan Gilbert, George Kirby, Bryce Miller and Bryan Woo, likening the notion to “plan Z.”

[Seattle or Bust]

Gilbert 81.5M trade calc, Michael Arroyo 13.5M Ben Williams 6.8M
Total out 101.8M

Casas 19M
Brandon Lowe 16M from Rays
AAA SS Marcello Meyer 64.9M 1st Rd. pick #4

Total in 99.9M

Jude insinuates that "one of the 4 young pitchers is what it takes to get Casas." You made it sound like you were agreeing close to a 1:1.

What incentive do the Red Sox have to trade Mayer? There's nobody blocking him and he's a top prospect that will debut for them in '26. Their roster isn't good enough to trade from the strength of their farm. There's no middle infield depth at the MLB level for them or even close on the farm other than Mayer.

Conversely, why would the M's trade for Mayer? 3 of the top 5 prospects are SS prospects... all top 100. 2x with the M's within the next 2 seasons. Mayer doesn't help the M's in '25... trading Gilbert and getting a prospect back weakens the team's biggest strength for a year they're trying to contend.

The M's just don't match up as trade partner's with the Red Sox when it comes to trading MLB pitchers. Why wouldn't they just work a deal with the White Sox for Crochet purely with prospects and call it a day?

He is almost 22yo. He will debut in 2025

Maybe, maybe not.

He had a good, but idk about great year in AA. Will certainly start the year in AAA and then it’s about knocking the door down.

Regardless… my point was that if the M’s trade Gilbert it’s for producing MLB talent that gets you to the promised land now. Not a potential Kelenic.