Josh Gordon suspended Indefinitely

[auroraave]

this attrition is part of what makes games tough to watch - decimated rosters mean lesser talent out there. Ugly.

[D-train]

Perhaps but if dissly never gets hurt we never realize how good Hollister is. Gives guys a chance to emerge from the shadows and shine

[Sibelius Hindemith]

I guess this is just another case of Carroll's approach of empowering players through tolerance and positivity not working with someone that has mental health and/or addiction issues.

[D-train]

I wonder if the ped positive was due to using a masking agent to try to hide the pot. That's what happened to Cano he was busted for a masking agent not actual ped.

[auroraave]

I guess this is just another case of Carroll's approach of empowering players through tolerance and positivity not working with someone that has mental health and/or addiction issues.

People keep preaching about addiction - what drug is Gordon allegedly addicted to? From what I've read, he smokes pot, if there are other recreational drugs involved, I'm not aware, but I do know that pot is not addictive. What are the addictive substances people are referring to? The narrative is almost like "oh, poor Josh he has addiction issues" as if he's a victim. if pot is banned and you get busted using it, again and again and again, seems to me your addicted to being a f*cking idiot. I'm tired of people absolving addicts for being addicts. How about the other 99% of us that go through life without doing stupid shit like that? Where's our trophy for "not f*cking up"? What ever happened to personal accountability? How about his teammates, coaches, et al, that he has let down? How many people in the world have the opportunity that he has had? It's a fraction of a percentage. He has CHOSEN to piss it all away. He'll get no sympathy from me.

[Sibelius Hindemith]

I agree. I found Greg Bell's bleeding heart routine this morning somewhat nauseating. I think Gordon is more of a head-case than a helpless addict.

[ThePro]

I guess this is just another case of Carroll's approach of empowering players through tolerance and positivity not working with someone that has mental health and/or addiction issues.

People keep preaching about addiction - what drug is Gordon allegedly addicted to? From what I've read, he smokes pot, if there are other recreational drugs involved, I'm not aware, but I do know that pot is not addictive. What are the addictive substances people are referring to? The narrative is almost like "oh, poor Josh he has addiction issues" as if he's a victim. if pot is banned and you get busted using it, again and again and again, seems to me your addicted to being a f*cking idiot. I'm tired of people absolving addicts for being addicts. How about the other 99% of us that go through life without doing stupid shit like that? Where's our trophy for "not f*cking up"? What ever happened to personal accountability? How about his teammates, coaches, et al, that he has let down? How many people in the world have the opportunity that he has had? It's a fraction of a percentage. He has CHOSEN to piss it all away. He'll get no sympathy from me.

That's a very narrow minded way of looking at things. No one said he is a victim. He's an addict. Not everyone is able to deal with addiction same as the next. Just because you can stop smoking weed doesn't mean it isn't addictive. Looks like it was PEDs and weed.

[DavidGee24]

Man, this is about the weirdest "addiction" I've ever heard of. It's pot, not particularly addictive, yet Gordon has lost tens of millions of dollars over it. He owns up to it and blames only himself, but then does it again. It's just baffling. He's not a bad person but there's something really awry in his head.

If there's a Mount Rushmore for athletes who pissed away careers over drugs, he's got to be the George Washington on that mountain. Speaking of which, I wonder who else goes up on the mountain? Dwight Gooden, Daryl Strawberry and Josh Hamilton come to mind, three players who should have been Hall Of Famers. Len Bias too, although we'll never know how good he would have been because he never got to play one professional minute. Steve Howe is another candidate but being a relief pitcher there's no guarantee that he would have had a great career. Several coke addicts in the '80s that shortchanged themselves, but I can't think of anyone who really killed their careers.

[auroraave]

Man, this is about the weirdest "addiction" I've ever heard of. It's pot, not particularly addictive, yet Gordon has lost tens of millions of dollars over it. He owns up to it and blames only himself, but then does it again. It's just baffling. He's not a bad person but there's something really awry in his head.

If there's a Mount Rushmore for athletes who pissed away careers over drugs, he's got to be the George Washington on that mountain. Speaking of which, I wonder who else goes up on the mountain? Dwight Gooden, Daryl Strawberry and Josh Hamilton come to mind, three players who should have been Hall Of Famers. Len Bias too, although we'll never know how good he would have been because he never got to play one professional minute. Steve Howe is another candidate but being a relief pitcher there's no guarantee that he would have had a great career. Several coke addicts in the '80s that shortchanged themselves, but I can't think of anyone who really killed their careers.

But with Gooden et al, they were doing coke - totally addictive. Pot has been proven scientifically to not be addictive. There are no addictive properties in it. Gordon is not above science. Wanting to smoke pot is not the same thing as being addicted to it - which is the play the victim culture always trots out. "It's not his fault, he's addicted to it!" Well, first of all, he's not addicted to it, and second of all, this is all 100% his fault. This ridiculous notion that people who willingly walk right down the road of addiction are not culpable is utterly absurd. People who suffer injuries and get into the opioids world, you can make a case for. Coke, meth, pot, you did that to yourself, period. Tragic? Yup. Your responsibility? 100%. I'm so tired of everyone playing the victim card - especially for Gordon - when there are actual victims out there suffering through no fault of their own. Gordon is simply a selfish idiot who only gives a shit about himself with zero accountability for his action. And some liberal morons want to excuse him. I'm calling BS. I hope he gets his shit together, seems like a good dude, but c'mon man, get your shit together.

[ThePro]

Man, this is about the weirdest "addiction" I've ever heard of. It's pot, not particularly addictive, yet Gordon has lost tens of millions of dollars over it. He owns up to it and blames only himself, but then does it again. It's just baffling. He's not a bad person but there's something really awry in his head.

If there's a Mount Rushmore for athletes who pissed away careers over drugs, he's got to be the George Washington on that mountain. Speaking of which, I wonder who else goes up on the mountain? Dwight Gooden, Daryl Strawberry and Josh Hamilton come to mind, three players who should have been Hall Of Famers. Len Bias too, although we'll never know how good he would have been because he never got to play one professional minute. Steve Howe is another candidate but being a relief pitcher there's no guarantee that he would have had a great career. Several coke addicts in the '80s that shortchanged themselves, but I can't think of anyone who really killed their careers.

But with Gooden et al, they were doing coke - totally addictive. Pot has been proven scientifically to not be addictive. There are no addictive properties in it. Gordon is not above science. Wanting to smoke pot is not the same thing as being addicted to it - which is the play the victim culture always trots out. "It's not his fault, he's addicted to it!" Well, first of all, he's not addicted to it, and second of all, this is all 100% his fault. This ridiculous notion that people who willingly walk right down the road of addiction are not culpable is utterly absurd. People who suffer injuries and get into the opioids world, you can make a case for. Coke, meth, pot, you did that to yourself, period. Tragic? Yup. Your responsibility? 100%. I'm so tired of everyone playing the victim card - especially for Gordon - when there are actual victims out there suffering through no fault of their own. Gordon is simply a selfish idiot who only gives a shit about himself with zero accountability for his action. And some liberal morons want to excuse him. I'm calling BS. I hope he gets his shit together, seems like a good dude, but c'mon man, get your shit together.

You can be addicted to marijuana. That's bullshit. Show me where someone said he was a victim? Or wasn't his responsibility? When xid sympathy for another person become a political issue? Your use of the word "victim " and there's that card bullshit again. Sometimes you can be a very ugly human being.