Forum and fan trades

[GL_Storm]

I think the group here actually does a decent job with hypothetical trades. The baseball trade values thing has probably helped with that.

A lot of those trades on the trade values app are head-scratchers, especially when you see mid-level prospects involved like the value is in shedding payroll for guys who might never set foot on an MLB ballfield.

What I mean is that when guys come up with trade ideas, they mostly do their best to consider value from both sides of the transaction. Now, me personally, I don't see much point in coming up with these very specific fictional trade packages. But I do enjoy sort of looking around the league and thinking about which players could be trade targets.

[Seattle or Bust]

I think the group here actually does a decent job with hypothetical trades. The baseball trade values thing has probably helped with that.

A lot of those trades on the trade values app are head-scratchers, especially when you see mid-level prospects involved like the value is in shedding payroll for guys who might never set foot on an MLB ballfield.

I'm curious... I recently proposed Haniger + Cole Young for Luis Robert.

My process: Chicago is in full rebuild... only at $64 million payroll... can afford to take a contract dump to sweeten the prospect back for a player who bombed his value last season but still has upside. MLBTV has Cole Young at $22M, Haniger at -$15M... Robert $11.6... so it's within the margins. CWS will carry no middle infield starters from '24 into '25... they have a top SS prospect in Colson Montgomery who is MLB ready that they could pair Young with for the next 7 seasons. They have no other MI prospects even close. They've said they want position player prospects back in trades.

You think they'd laugh at that trade?

[DavidGee24]

I think the group here actually does a decent job with hypothetical trades. The baseball trade values thing has probably helped with that.

A lot of those trades on the trade values app are head-scratchers, especially when you see mid-level prospects involved like the value is in shedding payroll for guys who might never set foot on an MLB ballfield.

What I mean is that when guys come up with trade ideas, they mostly do their best to consider value from both sides of the transaction. Now, me personally, I don't see much point in coming up with these very specific fictional trade packages. But I do enjoy sort of looking around the league and thinking about which players could be trade targets.

The very specific ones are what crack me up, along with the free agent signings with very specific years and dollar amounts, which of course also never end up happening.

And then there's the rosterbating where we have the whole new lineup put together which shockingly isn't even close.to what we get on Opening Day.

Sorry guys, I want to see this team improve too and admittedly I'm unrealistic in that I think the franchise should spend a LOT more than they do, so I'm also guilty of delusions of grandeur in that respect.

[Seattle or Bust]

A lot of those trades on the trade values app are head-scratchers, especially when you see mid-level prospects involved like the value is in shedding payroll for guys who might never set foot on an MLB ballfield.

What I mean is that when guys come up with trade ideas, they mostly do their best to consider value from both sides of the transaction. Now, me personally, I don't see much point in coming up with these very specific fictional trade packages. But I do enjoy sort of looking around the league and thinking about which players could be trade targets.

The very specific ones are what crack me up, along with the free agent signings with very specific years and dollar amounts, which of course also never end up happening.

And then there's the rosterbating where we have the whole new lineup put together which shockingly isn't even close.to what we get on Opening Day.

Sorry guys, I want to see this team improve too and admittedly I'm unrealistic in that I think the franchise should spend a LOT more than they do, so I'm also guilty of delusions of grandeur in that respect.

I'll be honest... all I read there is I'm not interested in fans having fun.

It's enjoyable to imagine possible free agent signings and trades even if they don't come true. Never in my plans do I imagine most or any of it will actually happen. It's to engage conversation and allow people to think of what players the M's could have possible interest in. It's to stir the pot.

I'll put the shoe on the other foot... I really have no respect for and get nothing out of the posters who show up and provide nothing but negativity or one liners that take one brain cell to produce.

This forum would be very boring if people didn't at least attempt to be creative.

[Lamda]

I mean what do you expect?? Just about every fan or 'expert' trade suggestion are usually laughable. This is the time of year I hate when your feed gets flooded with trade pitches from some site, etc. Saw one a week back where they were offering their garbage for Kirby I think it was - and then went about explaining why it was a good deal for us, lol. Its just what people do this time of year.

The only one that I had to do a double take on was the Casas deal for Castillo. If you legit think that Casas can be a 35-40 hr power guy than I think we should have pulled the trigger on that one even if we had to take back a bad contract on it.

[Seattle or Bust]

I mean what do you expect?? Just about every fan or 'expert' trade suggestion are usually laughable. This is the time of year I hate when your feed gets flooded with trade pitches from some site, etc. Saw one a week back where they were offering their garbage for Kirby I think it was - and then went about explaining why it was a good deal for us, lol. Its just what people do this time of year.

The only one that I had to do a double take on was the Casas deal for Castillo. If you legit think that Casas can be a 35-40 hr power guy than I think we should have pulled the trigger on that one even if we had to take back a bad contract on it.

And my response would be... why tf would you be doing a double take on that trade?

1. Yoshida is worse version of Joc Pederson who the M's have never had any interest in it seems. So ofc they're not adding him on a 3-year deal.
2. I'd probably do Castillo for Casas straight up b/c Casas has MLB experience and the bat has flashed.
3. There's no room for Yoshida even in the 1% chance they'd ever take his money on.

See.. it leads to discussion... which is... fun?

[DavidGee24]

I'll be honest... all I read there is I'm not interested in fans having fun.

It's enjoyable to imagine possible free agent signings and trades even if they don't come true. Never in my plans do I imagine most or any of it will actually happen. It's to engage conversation and allow people to think of what players the M's could have possible interest in. It's to stir the pot.

I'll put the shoe on the other foot... I really have no respect for and get nothing out of the posters who show up and provide nothing but negativity or one liners that take one brain cell to produce.

This forum would be very boring if people didn't at least attempt to be creative.

That's quite the word salad you tossed just to say you need the Jaws Of Life to pull the corncob out of your butthole. You're reading way too much into this, bro.

[DavidGee24]

I'm curious... I recently proposed Haniger + Cole Young for Luis Robert.

My process: Chicago is in full rebuild... only at $64 million payroll... can afford to take a contract dump to sweeten the prospect back for a player who bombed his value last season but still has upside. MLBTV has Cole Young at $22M, Haniger at -$15M... Robert $11.6... so it's within the margins. CWS will carry no middle infield starters from '24 into '25... they have a top SS prospect in Colson Montgomery who is MLB ready that they could pair Young with for the next 7 seasons. They have no other MI prospects even close. They've said they want position player prospects back in trades.

You think they'd laugh at that trade?

Yes. Young is years away and not a "sure thing", and Haniger is a corpse with a high price tag. Robert has actually recently played at an all-star level and is what, 26? He's worth a lot more than Young/Haniger...which is why it's likely never even been discussed.

[bpj]

I mean what do you expect?? Just about every fan or 'expert' trade suggestion are usually laughable. This is the time of year I hate when your feed gets flooded with trade pitches from some site, etc. Saw one a week back where they were offering their garbage for Kirby I think it was - and then went about explaining why it was a good deal for us, lol. Its just what people do this time of year.

The only one that I had to do a double take on was the Casas deal for Castillo. If you legit think that Casas can be a 35-40 hr power guy than I think we should have pulled the trigger on that one even if we had to take back a bad contract on it.

And my response would be... why tf would you be doing a double take on that trade?

1. Yoshida is worse version of Joc Pederson who the M's have never had any interest in it seems. So ofc they're not adding him on a 3-year deal.
2. I'd probably do Castillo for Casas straight up b/c Casas has MLB experience and the bat has flashed.
3. There's no room for Yoshida even in the 1% chance they'd ever take his money on.

See.. it leads to discussion... which is... fun?

I don't see why they said no at all.

They had Moore and Raley as the bench players so every position was covered, they don't need much more bench than that.

Casas would have been a good answer at 1B, and Yoshida was a natural fit as a DH platoon with the garbage they already have on the roster.

Here are their vs. RH and LH splits-

[Lamda]

I mean what do you expect?? Just about every fan or 'expert' trade suggestion are usually laughable. This is the time of year I hate when your feed gets flooded with trade pitches from some site, etc. Saw one a week back where they were offering their garbage for Kirby I think it was - and then went about explaining why it was a good deal for us, lol. Its just what people do this time of year.

The only one that I had to do a double take on was the Casas deal for Castillo. If you legit think that Casas can be a 35-40 hr power guy than I think we should have pulled the trigger on that one even if we had to take back a bad contract on it.

And my response would be... why tf would you be doing a double take on that trade?

1. Yoshida is worse version of Joc Pederson who the M's have never had any interest in it seems. So ofc they're not adding him on a 3-year deal.
2. I'd probably do Castillo for Casas straight up b/c Casas has MLB experience and the bat has flashed.
3. There's no room for Yoshida even in the 1% chance they'd ever take his money on.

See.. it leads to discussion... which is... fun?

Simple - if you believe Casas is going to be a major star with 35-40+ HR power for the next 10-12 years - then its a no-brainer. Those players don't grow on trees and if you have to eat a short 3 year crappy deal than you do it and laugh every year while Casas helps lead your team to the playoffs year after year. You keep Yoshida a year and then send him away for peanuts the following year.