The worst thing about the 54% model that nobody ever mentions

[D-train]

The only problem with 54% as a sustainability goal is that he said it out loud.

How many WS did the Mariners win when they had a 55% winning % from 1994-2003. Hint: It starts with a Z and rhymes with Hero. It is a ludicrous goal on every level imaginable.

[DavidGee24]

The only problem with 54% as a sustainability goal is that he said it out loud.

How many WS did the Mariners win when they had a 55% winning % from 1994-2003. Hint: It starts with a Z and rhymes with Hero. It is a ludicrous goal on every level imaginable.

Or, how many WS did they even participate in? Same clues apply.

[D-train]

Anyone that would prefer team two probably works for the the Post office or the DMV.

[Big_Maple]

Percentage of teams to make the postseason

Since 2012

94 or more wins: 100% (40 of 40)
91-93 wins: 90.5% (19 of 21)
87-90 wins: 76% (19 of 25)
85-86 wins: 12.5% (2 of 16)
84 or fewer wins: 0% (0 of 138)

Are those percentages for the American League only?

In 2023 the Miami Marlins and the NL champion Arizona Diamondbacks advanced to the postseason with 84 wins each in the regular season:

https://www.mlb.com/standings/2023

Another look:

https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-teams-wors ... postseason

I was rushed and didn’t post the full URL. My fault. The article from which I gleaned the data was written in 2020:

https://www.mlb.com/news/win-totals-to- ... fs-in-2020

[D-train]

Percentage of teams to make the postseason

Since 2012

94 or more wins: 100% (40 of 40)
91-93 wins: 90.5% (19 of 21)
87-90 wins: 76% (19 of 25)
85-86 wins: 12.5% (2 of 16)
84 or fewer wins: 0% (0 of 138)

Are those percentages for the American League only?

In 2023 the Miami Marlins and the NL champion Arizona Diamondbacks advanced to the postseason with 84 wins each in the regular season:

https://www.mlb.com/standings/2023

Another look:

https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-teams-wors ... postseason

I was rushed and didn’t post the full URL. My fault. The article from which I gleaned the data was written in 2020:

https://www.mlb.com/news/win-totals-to- ... fs-in-2020

Key question is how many made it that won 87 or fewer. That is 54%

[D-train]

The more things change the more they remain the same:

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/mar ... n-meetups/

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[Captain 97]

I'd have no problem with 54% over 10 years. Generally when teams hit the 54% they play well consistently and pop every once in a while to get into the mid to upper 90's in wins. The Problem is that Dipotos pop IS 54% and then he thinks that means he has arrived. In reality he has been here 9 years and is at 51.6%. The M's were on the right track in 2022 and they needed to build and improve on that 90 win season and the playoff birth. Instead they felt that they had a arrived and took the foot of the peddle and then they regressed the following two seasons. Teams get to that 54% by striking while the Iron is hot and pushing their chips in. If the M's had done that and say improved to 93 Wins in 2023 and 95 wins in 2024 Jerry would be at 52.7 percent and we would probably all be thrilled.

[AZOldDawg]

I believe our chances, being a mid market team, are reliant upon windows. We have the opportunity to take advantage of a nice one right now but Abbot and Costello refuse to spend to win. I wouldn’t be surprised if they spin it as “We’re just waiting for the farm to develop “. That coupled with hitters apparently not wanting to play here should send our young studs packing as soon as their contracts allow. Unfortunately our generally soft fan base will continue to enable this behavior. For us hard core fans it’s a Bill Rafferty “dagger to the heart”

[Donn Beach]

I'd have no problem with 54% over 10 years. Generally when teams hit the 54% they play well consistently and pop every once in a while to get into the mid to upper 90's in wins. The Problem is that Dipotos pop IS 54% and then he thinks that means he has arrived. In reality he has been here 9 years and is at 51.6%. The M's were on the right track in 2022 and they needed to build and improve on that 90 win season and the playoff birth. Instead they felt that they had a arrived and took the foot of the peddle and then they regressed the following two seasons. Teams get to that 54% by striking while the Iron is hot and pushing their chips in. If the M's had don

e that and say improved to 93 Wins in 2023 and 95 wins in 2024 Jerry would be at 52.7 percent and we would probably all be thrilled.

That's it, I have tried repeatedly to point it out. The 54% deal is not the issue, the issue is they aren't living up to it. It cracks me up, it's comical. Complaining about their strategy endlessly when they aren't following it to begin with. Go look at the teams that won 54% of their games over a ten year period. This is not how they did it, believe me.

Winning percentage over the last ten years, Houston Astros: 57.4%, New York Yankees: 56.3%, Cleveland Guardians: 54.7%, St. Louis Cardinals: 54.2%, Tampa Bay Rays 53.8% Boston Red Sox 53.3%. That's the kind of company they would be in if they could manage to win 54% of their games over the next ten years, I wouldn't have a problem with it, that's being successful. Those teams weren't just trying to win 54% of their games, they were trying to win championships

[D-train]

I believe our chances, being a mid market team, are reliant upon windows. We have the opportunity to take advantage of a nice one right now but Abbot and Costello refuse to spend to win. I wouldn’t be surprised if they spin it as “We’re just waiting for the farm to develop “. That coupled with hitters apparently not wanting to play here should send our young studs packing as soon as their contracts allow. Unfortunately our generally soft fan base will continue to enable this behavior. For us hard core fans it’s a Bill Rafferty “dagger to the heart”

Fyi if you combine Portland and Seattle we are the fourth biggest market in the country so we should stop parroting Stanton's propaganda. And that doesn't even count the other 3 states in the PNW which are small but all have huge M's fans including those on this forum.