New OC thread

[D-train]

Lots off good stuff in here other than there sadness that 2nd year O line coach or RB coach won't be interviewing to replace Grubb. lol

Michael isn't going to like the OC section.

https://12thmanrising.com/mike-macdonal ... -offseason

[Michael K.]

A "physical unit" that plays "complementary football" would be one that establishes the run. The fact Seattle rostered both Ken Walker III and Zach Charbonnet, plus a flashy third back in Kenny McIntosh, and could never get the ground game going is an indictment on the offensive coordinator. Grubb, who looked to establish the pass first, then go to the run as a tendency-breaker, did not run a physical nor complementary unit.

Yep, if we had just run it more often the line would have been better at run blocking. Go back and look at the Rams game we lost. 30 plus carries, barely 100 yards, and a big fat L. They are going to get a yes man, that bangs his head against a brick wall for three quarters, just like we did with Pete. The problem is, we won't be able to turn to Russ and street ball to bail us out.

This is a good thing though, and certainly not a Grubb strength.

However, a coordinator who can creatively get the ball out of the quarterback's hand quickly and efficiently can mask a weak offensive line. Even a play-action pass, getting the defense out of alignment, would serve well for a weak unit up front.

I'm just not sure you had to fire the guy after one year to get him to call more quick game or play action. But who knows? Maybe he told Grubb this is going to be how it is and Grubb said "with this O Line? Good Luck". I still put the blame for our offensive deficiencies at about 65% fault of the GM. He is absolute dogshit at building an O Line, and always has been. The sixth or seventh OC isn't going to cure that.

[Donn Beach]

It has nothing to do with Pete Carroll. Does Jim Harbough have yes men around him, does his brother? If they do it seems to work for

[Michael K.]

It has nothing to do with Pete Carroll. Does Jim Harbough have yes men around him, does his brother? If they do it seems to work for

Do you watch the teams those guys coached and harken back to the days of us punting for three quarters before Russ Wilson bailed us out by playing basketball on grass? I use Carroll as an example because it happens to be with this very organization, and that very same GM. Hard to say it's not a valid comparison. We had a pass first OC, and a Defensive minded coach, and this GM....and the OC lasted one season. A season they were strength of victory percentage points from making the playoffs.

You think with this evidence in front of you, that we are going to end up with an exciting young offensive play-caller that doesn't just save his ass by playing three quarters of keep away football where punts are OK? I can't believe some of the offenses I have watched in my days of being a Husky and Seahawk fan. John Donovan at Washington, Jeremy Bevelheimer (yep, three different OC's, same guy), Shayne Waldron.....why do we end up with these guys? Because that is what the ball control defensive minded coach wanted. Give them a young and highly mobile Russ Wilson and Beastmode in his prime? A league that hadn't caught up to the Read Option yet? Sure, it worked. I don't think those guys are walking through the door anytime soon.

[Donn Beach]

I'm trying to get you to focus on the Harboughs, that's what this is about. Whether that's a good thing or bad I don't know, the pair has had a lot of success. But that's the model, not Pete Carroll

[Michael K.]

I'm trying to get you to focus on the Harboughs, that's what this is about. Whether that's a good thing or bad I don't know, the pair has had a lot of success. But that's the model, not Pete Carroll

One has an MVP at QB, who now has as many playoff losses as wins. They other has Justin Herbert and managed 12 points in the playoffs, and went from up 6 to 0 to losing 32 to 12 in his only playoff game this year. You think you put Lamar or Herbert on this team they aren't better? I do, and I don't think Justin Herbert is even all that good!

John won a Super Bowl in 2012. In the 12 years since he missed the playoffs 5 times and is 4 and 7 in the 7 years he made the playoffs. Jim quickly took the Niners from losing to his brother in 2012 to 8-8 in 2014 and out of the league. He then "led" the Wolverines to a 49 and 22 record in what was a rather weak Big Ten. He won the Citrus Bowl his first year there, then proceeded to lose four straight bowl games before not qualifying and then losing two more. In that span he was also getting dominated by Ohio State, losing his first 5 games in that series, with most of them not even close.

Everybody slobbers all over the Harbaughs, but since 2012? If you consider Bowl games like playoff games? They are a combined 7 and 15 in the post season. Jim won a NC ring. In that same span? Pete Carroll is 8 and 7 with two trips to the Super Bowl and one Super Bowl ring.

I said when Harbaugh was leaving Michigan that I wouldn't want him. His success early on in careers have both times been early on. In SF? He took guys that were already there and won a ring, and two years later was shown the door for the shit he was pulling. Same thing in Michigan. But? As an alum, he got a longer leash, started cheating, won a ring, and left them in the lurch.

[Michael K.]

Since second and goal, this organization has seemed to really put a lot of blame on the Xs and Os on offense, and the Jimmy's and Joe's upfront have been lacking. Many OCs later, the same guy is signing, trading for and drafting the Jimmy's and Joe's. How is it that he is always blame free? Because he gives us all something new to complain or talk about. Fire this OC, fire that OC, fire the Head Coach. When is the last off season we didn't talk about how the OC either should have been fired or was fired? When is the last off season there was anything CLOSE to that much attention being placed on why the O Line is so fucking bad?

Fire the OC this year, and the ONLY time the O Line is mentioned in here? Is when there is discussion for how the new OC can make them better. When are we actually just going to get better players?

[D-train]

Good piece on my guy Fraley who is interviewing today. Grubb was also my guy btw.

https://12thmanrising.com/seahawks-coul ... oordinator

[Michael K.]

Good piece on my guy Fraley who is interviewing today. Grubb was also my guy btw.

https://12thmanrising.com/seahawks-coul ... oordinator

Again, his O Line consisted of four first round picks and a third round pick. You and I could have coached that line!

I won the last two Conference Coach of the Year awards. It's shocking how good you look when you have studs playing for you.

[Sibelius Hindemith]

Didn't you guys watch the Andrew & Nick podcast from my link? Kubiak has already been hired, they just haven't made it public yet.