Seattle Beat Writers and BS About the Offense.

[Seattle or Bust]

Umm, it's actually a reporter's job to report.

Jude reported what he was told by his source. It's not his job to opine on whether or not the M's were right in thinking so, not unless he's given the freedom to write a column. Currently at the Times, that responsibility falls on the shoulders of Vorel and Calkins.

And did any of you stop to think for a second that maybe the Mariners FO -- in which it has already been reported this winter is changing up their approach on finding hitters who will thrive at Safeco -- is finally now doing a deeper dive on which players will be successful at their home park after so many failures, Garver included?

It might be a new thing. I understand the pessimism, but man, it is awfully tired.

It's not a reporter's job to simply ask a question and write down verbatim what they tell you. When you don't question the legitimacy of the story from the source, you become propaganda.

It's a reporters job to get the truth.

The Seattle Times just has a dogshit sports editor who doesn't hold his reporters to higher standards.

Has nothing to do with opining.

[Lamda]

And did any of you stop to think for a second that maybe the Mariners FO -- in which it has already been reported this winter is changing up their approach on finding hitters who will thrive at Safeco -- is finally now doing a deeper dive on which players will be successful at their home park after so many failures, Garver included?

I think this is possible and I hope it is the case.

LOL its not what they are doing - its just what some FO apologists would like u to believe. If this is the case, then why aren't the fences being moved in, the backdrop fixed, etc - cause they haven't signed ANYBODY.... which if their brand new sparkly *theory* on what a good hitter is for our park currently is - has come up with Nobody, meaning no hitter can thrive here then.

[GL_Storm]

And did any of you stop to think for a second that maybe the Mariners FO -- in which it has already been reported this winter is changing up their approach on finding hitters who will thrive at Safeco -- is finally now doing a deeper dive on which players will be successful at their home park after so many failures, Garver included?

I think this is possible and I hope it is the case.

LOL its not what they are doing - its just what some FO apologists would like u to believe. If this is the case, then why aren't the fences being moved in, the backdrop fixed, etc - cause they haven't signed ANYBODY.... which if their brand new sparkly *theory* on what a good hitter is for our park currently is - has come up with Nobody, meaning no hitter can thrive here then.

It's possible they've changed their approach this offseason, that Garver's abject and complete failure has forced them to rethink how they've been evaluating hitters. This could also explain the lack of moves. I mean, it's been a pretty remarkable run of bringing players in and watching them not succeed.

[D-train]

Umm, it's actually a reporter's job to report.

Jude reported what he was told by his source. It's not his job to opine on whether or not the M's were right in thinking so, not unless he's given the freedom to write a column. Currently at the Times, that responsibility falls on the shoulders of Vorel and Calkins.

And did any of you stop to think for a second that maybe the Mariners FO -- in which it has already been reported this winter is changing up their approach on finding hitters who will thrive at Safeco -- is finally now doing a deeper dive on which players will be successful at their home park after so many failures, Garver included?

It might be a new thing. I understand the pessimism, but man, it is awfully tired.

I get your point but there is a massive difference in the expectation that they launch a huge investigative report and simply state what we all know but a lot of casuals don't know that LH power hitters are typically regarded as relatively immune to the hitting hellscape that is T Mobile. (I love how you still call it Safeco btw lol)

[ddraig]

This is a trophy-prize article waiting to be written! Why has no reporter in this town NOT dug deeper into the morass that is Mariner baseball? Why is it that we can develop pitchers, in fact resurrect pitchers, and yet not develop hitters? Someone, somewhere, needs to dig into this and get their hands dirty. Are they afraid the M's F.O. and owners won't talk to them? Are they talking to them now?

[DavidGee24]

Umm, it's actually a reporter's job to report.

Jude reported what he was told by his source. It's not his job to opine on whether or not the M's were right in thinking so, not unless he's given the freedom to write a column. Currently at the Times, that responsibility falls on the shoulders of Vorel and Calkins.

And did any of you stop to think for a second that maybe the Mariners FO -- in which it has already been reported this winter is changing up their approach on finding hitters who will thrive at Safeco -- is finally now doing a deeper dive on which players will be successful at their home park after so many failures, Garver included?

It might be a new thing. I understand the pessimism, but man, it is awfully tired.

Except that it doesn't make sense as to why now they would in 2025 finally be doing that when this goes back almost 20 years to Adrian Beltre, Jeff Cirillo, etc. If this was actually true (and it's extremely doubtful that it is), they'd be the dumbest organization in baseball.

[Vogelbomb]

It's not a reporter's job to simply ask a question and write down verbatim what they tell you. When you don't question the legitimacy of the story from the source, you become propaganda.

It's a reporters job to get the truth.

The Seattle Times just has a dogshit sports editor who doesn't hold his reporters to higher standards.

Has nothing to do with opining.

First of all, that is the job. You can certainly do that level of work and execute the job you were hired to do.
Secondly SoB, you don't have a fucking clue as to whether or not Jude did or didn't do that so maybe bite your tongue

[Donn Beach]

This is a trophy-prize article waiting to be written! Why has no reporter in this town NOT dug deeper into the morass that is Mariner baseball? Why is it that we can develop pitchers, in fact resurrect pitchers, and yet not develop hitters? Someone, somewhere, needs to dig into this and get their hands dirty. Are they afraid the M's F.O. and owners won't talk to them? Are they talking to them now?

Well, they have focused on pitching, that's where the draft capital was spent up until recently. They play in TMobile. They have traded a number of hitters away that they developed

[Pharmabro]

It is because they didn't want to pay Yoshida's salary plain and simple. Anyone that can't figure that out still believes in the Easter Bunny.

Not only te money but the DH/OF spot he could hit in is taken up by Raley, Robles, JRod, Randy. But still so f'n what. There is another team out there that would take Yoshida as a DH/OF if you paid down the contract or included prospects on a rebuilding squad. Atlanta flipped off both White and Marco to other teams. We could have done the same. JD is being a little bitch boy.

[ddraig]

This is a trophy-prize article waiting to be written! Why has no reporter in this town NOT dug deeper into the morass that is Mariner baseball? Why is it that we can develop pitchers, in fact resurrect pitchers, and yet not develop hitters? Someone, somewhere, needs to dig into this and get their hands dirty. Are they afraid the M's F.O. and owners won't talk to them? Are they talking to them now?

Well, they have focused on pitching, that's where the draft capital was spent up until recently. They play in TMobile. They have traded a number of hitters away that they developed

Outside of the great Kelenic, name two other hitters they developed over the past five or six years.