New OC thread

[Donn Beach]

You mean listen to his boss? I think they expect kubiak to be flexible. I read a comment from Grubb awhile ago, forgot to post it. He talked about how he hadn't understood the sophistication of pro defenses. It was along the lines Grubb at the college level was accustomed to scheming against individual players. You focused on the other teams best players with your plan of attack. In the pros he needed to understand how to scheme against defensive schemes, be was up against much more sophisticated defenses, every team has great players. I think there was a lot to his firing, more than he just didn't run enough. He really wasn't familiar enough with the pro game.

[Michael K.]

Not sure Kubiak is another pass-heavy guy, at least from all the reviews i've heard today. they talk about the Shanahan system, heavy outside zone read runs. last year NO being saddled with injuries to top QB and top RB, playing from behind a lot you have to throw more. Totally with you on the unfairness of the Grubb firing, but at least Kubiak, unlike Grubb, should come in knowing who's boss (Mike, not John), so if he values his job he won't be repeating Ryan's tilt that way.

I wish I could remember the guy who was on KIRO, but he was breaking down Kubiak as a play caller, and said he has been in the bottom third of the league in run/pass percentage. I don't have a link or anything, but I take that as a bad marriage. The funny thing is? I don't think he has really been a play caller that long has he? So? Maybe that guy was speaking about how the Saints finished the season? I don't know, I should have researched it more before I spouted off. The Saints were actually 16th according to the website I found in run pass percentage. So, certainly not bottom third of the league. That said? This site has a "Last 3" section, and they called a shit ton of passes. Maybe that is what the guy on 710 was referencing? How they finished the season? That still seems odd.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/passing-play-pct

Maybe he will be fine, but I don't think that when they fired Grubb, they thought Kubiak was the guy. I think it's arrogance, I really do. They have a vision of what they are, and it's not what the rest of the league sees. It was arrogance that made JS continue to trade down for years. It worked once, and he had success in the mid to late rounds, so he believed it would always be that way. It was arrogant to believe all they needed was depth, and they could just continue to pay their vets, and eventually guys like Tedrick Thompson and Mike Tyson would step right in for Kam and Earl. It was arrogant to draft C Mike when they had so many holes to fill and already had Beast and Turbin. Same thing with Penny when they already had Chris Carson and Mike Davis, and again...plenty of holes to fill. Arrogant to take Brooks when they had Wagner. Do you look to fill depth? Sure, but you don't use first and second round picks on guys that are either going to be changing positions or riding pine. Not when you are not already at the top of the Mtn.

It was arrogance that lead them to believe they could only win one way, and that eventually they would get another Beast and LOB. It is all about them believing they know better than everyone else! Firing Grubb was arrogant. I don't hate the Kubiak hire, just feel it is unnecessary for us to go through another offseason learning a new offense. Geno has now had 3 OCs in 3 years! Unless the plan is to rebuild, and it sucks, because this team was right there. Defensively they were continuing to grow. Add an O Line? And we are scary good, IMO. Of course, Salary Cap Hell doesn't help.

[Michael K.]

You mean listen to his boss? I think they expect kubiak to be flexible. I read a comment from Grubb awhile ago, forgot to post it. He talked about how he hadn't understood the sophistication of pro defenses. It was along the lines Grubb at the college level was accustomed to scheming against individual players. You focused on the other teams best players with your plan of attack. In the pros he needed to understand how to scheme against defensive schemes, be was up against much more sophisticated defenses, every team has great players. I think there was a lot to his firing, more than he just didn't run enough. He really wasn't familiar enough with the pro game.

And yet we won ten games and had a top ten passing offense. We were a turnover prone QB away from winning the division and we fired the guy instead of seeing if it was something he could learn? He turned JSN into a Pro Bowler, and did all of this with one of the worst Offensive Lines any of us have ever seen.

Do you think he is the first guy to ever need to learn? Nope, guys just always stay in college because that is what they know, and all we have in the Pro Game are guys that have learned the game, somehow before they ever even coached in the league. I guess Pete should have stayed in college right? Next time a QB can't figure out the NFL defenses immediately they better fire his ass.

[Donn Beach]

I don't think he's the first guy to learn on the job but I also don't think they wanted to go through the process of his learning. I really don't give a crap about Grubb, what's important is they get this hire right. I'm guessing they have a clearer picture of what they want in an oc and found it in kubiak. I'm not concerned about Grubb not fitting it. I can understand why he didn't. What I want to see is they have a guy now that really fits well, checks the boxes.

I really don't think it's about finding a yes man. What it's about is finding a really strong OC, that really grasps the concepts. As a defensive oriented HC that's what MM needs, a guy that can really carry the offense. They didn't want to go through the process of trying to build one out of Grubb and so I'm hoping they found a more finished NFL product in kubiak

[Michael K.]

I don't think he's the first guy to learn on the job but I also don't think they wanted to go through the process of his learning. I really don't give a crap about Grubb, what's important is they get this hire right. I'm guessing they have a clearer picture of what they want in an oc and found it in kubiak. I'm not concerned about Grubb not fitting it. I can understand why he didn't. What I want to see is they have a guy now that really fits well, checks the boxes.

Yet again, this is Geno's third OC in three years. You hear complaining all the time about QBs not being able to get settled with someone. Not here. When the offense doesn't work, don't matter why, fire the OC, and all will be good. No way Grubb and Geno and this offense could have grown off what they already had, nope, throw it all out and start over.

That is what I am more concerned with. Keep firing OC's, and you'll find out real fast what kind of OC wants to come here. You'll find out real soon how that stunts the growth of an offense and effects the QB. There was a pretty decent honeymoon with Waldron, then there wasn't, then we fired him. Waldron had coached in the NFL, Waldron had been around the Pro Game. Maybe that's not all it takes?

I really don't think it's about finding a yes man. What it's about is finding a really strong OC, that really grasps the concepts. As a defensive oriented HC that's what MM needs, a guy that can really carry the offense. They didn't want to go through the process of trying to build one out of Grubb and so I'm hoping they found a more finished NFL product in kubiak

If Grubb was a yes man he'd still be here. Give me a break.

[Michael K.]

As far as it being a fit? No clue who was on 710, but it sure sounds like calling designed runs won't be a problem. Production? Maybe. LOL. That is a joke, as saying top ten is the goal for a rushing offense here might be stupid...not to mention the Saints were losing a ton of games and the Vikings had Jefferson, so who wouldn't throw?

The Seahawks are banking on Kubiak's strong reputation and philosophical alignment with Macdonald more than his recent results.

The Saints' offense in 2024 ranked 24th in scoring (19.4 points per game) and 21st in yards (320.1 per game) as injuries sidelined several key players, including quarterback Derek Carr (seven games), wide receivers Chris Olave (nine) and Rashid Shaheed (11), center Erik McCoy (10), and tight end Taysom Hill (nine).

The Vikings' offense in 2021 ranked 14th in scoring (23.4 points per game) and 12th in yards (362.8 per game).

Grubb was fired in large part because the Seahawks did not run the ball as often or as well as Macdonald preferred. Neither the 2021 Vikings (17th) nor the 2024 Saints (14th) had top-10 rushing offenses, though Minnesota was 11th in designed rush rate under Kubiak while New Orleans was 14th.

I don't like the hire, but it sure could have been worse.

[Donn Beach]

I don't think he's the first guy to learn on the job but I also don't think they wanted to go through the process of his learning. I really don't give a crap about Grubb, what's important is they get this hire right. I'm guessing they have a clearer picture of what they want in an oc and found it in kubiak. I'm not concerned about Grubb not fitting it. I can understand why he didn't. What I want to see is they have a guy now that really fits well, checks the boxes.

Yet again, this is Geno's third OC in three years. You hear complaining all the time about QBs not being able to get settled with someone. Not here. When the offense doesn't work, don't matter why, fire the OC, and all will be good. No way Grubb and Geno and this offense could have grown off what they already had, nope, throw it all out and start over.

That is what I am more concerned with. Keep firing OC's, and you'll find out real fast what kind of OC wants to come here. You'll find out real soon how that stunts the growth of an offense and effects the QB. There was a pretty decent honeymoon with Waldron, then there wasn't, then we fired him. Waldron had coached in the NFL, Waldron had been around the Pro Game. Maybe that's not all it takes?

I really don't think it's about finding a yes man. What it's about is finding a really strong OC, that really grasps the concepts. As a defensive oriented HC that's what MM needs, a guy that can really carry the offense. They didn't want to go through the process of trying to build one out of Grubb and so I'm hoping they found a more finished NFL product in kubiak

If Grubb was a yes man he'd still be here. Give me a break.

Waldron wasn't fired, Pete was fired. And yeah, if Grubb had managed to adapt more to what MM wanted he might still be here. For me that's a pretty basic concept to the boss employee relationship

[auroraave]

As far as it being a fit? No clue who was on 710, but it sure sounds like calling designed runs won't be a problem. Production? Maybe. LOL. That is a joke, as saying top ten is the goal for a rushing offense here might be stupid...not to mention the Saints were losing a ton of games and the Vikings had Jefferson, so who wouldn't throw?

The Seahawks are banking on Kubiak's strong reputation and philosophical alignment with Macdonald more than his recent results.

The Saints' offense in 2024 ranked 24th in scoring (19.4 points per game) and 21st in yards (320.1 per game) as injuries sidelined several key players, including quarterback Derek Carr (seven games), wide receivers Chris Olave (nine) and Rashid Shaheed (11), center Erik McCoy (10), and tight end Taysom Hill (nine).

The Vikings' offense in 2021 ranked 14th in scoring (23.4 points per game) and 12th in yards (362.8 per game).

Grubb was fired in large part because the Seahawks did not run the ball as often or as well as Macdonald preferred. Neither the 2021 Vikings (17th) nor the 2024 Saints (14th) had top-10 rushing offenses, though Minnesota was 11th in designed rush rate under Kubiak while New Orleans was 14th.

I don't like the hire, but it sure could have been worse.

Feels like the Kubiak hire has been met with a resounding yawn. I am in the 'raging indifference' group about this hire. Everything about the seahawks feels underwhelming anymore. There just is not a single thing to be fired up about.

[Michael K.]

Feels like the Kubiak hire has been met with a resounding yawn. I am in the 'raging indifference' group about this hire. Everything about the seahawks feels underwhelming anymore. There just is not a single thing to be fired up about.

I wish I didn't, but I agree. I do feel like this organization believes they are something they aren't, and it might be time to accept this isn't a destination job. No one is coming here unless it is a promotion. We aren't getting splashy Assistant Coach hires because guys can't wait to be a part of this, not anymore. Bringing in an OC that seems to most likely be in lock step with the HC might signal the best time for a rebuild. It stinks, because this team is an average interior O Line from being real good, IMO. BUT? We don't have the salary cap flexibility to make it happen, and there isn't an option to upgrade or even have someone similar to Geno. DK wants paid again, I'm sure....would take a miracle, IMO, to be even as good as last year.

[Gametime]

I am in agreement that this isn't a destination job or situation any longer. I thought John was better at his job than he is. I think he has done a good job on trades and some free agents. But, his drafting and oline evaluation is the reason we are good, just not good enough.

His drafts have hauled in very few studs in the last 6 years. He is living off his Wagner, Wilson, Sherm drafts. We are over the cap massively. And we have major issues because he has refused to draft a QB, traded for a bad QB, picked wrong guys (Big Cat not one of them) on the defense, spent big money on TE to have bad or average TE (Dis and Fant), horrible Oline evaluation, So, massive cuts and then some of those cuts or trades will effect WR and QB. Have a talented RB that can't stay on the field and is in his last year. And watching the playoff teams, I just can't see this team and especially QB Geno or not we can really go anywhere. Sad times.