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[Vogelbomb]

Outside of the great Kelenic, name two other hitters they developed over the past five or six years.

Julio? does he count?
Cal
JP (he was a failed prospect when he was acquired)
Noelvi Marte
Edwin Arroyo
Tyler Locklear
Cole Young (on his way)

[Seattle or Bust]

Outside of the great Kelenic, name two other hitters they developed over the past five or six years.

Julio? does he count?
Cal
JP (he was a failed prospect when he was acquired)
Noelvi Marte
Edwin Arroyo
Tyler Locklear
Cole Young (on his way)

??? Bro why are you so routinely bad at this.

Julio was supposed to be the next coming of Jesus. He put up a .734 OPS in his 3rd year in the majors when he's supposed to be Mike Trout. His bat has gotten worse each year in the majors. That's not supposed to happen.

Cal and his career .218 BA and .740 OPS? Yeah?

JP Crawford has had one good season with the bat. He's had 5 seasons of a .684 OPS or worse with the M's. He's a horrible hitter.

Noelvi Marte was technically the worst player in the majors last year over his 66 games. He put up -1.8 bWAR with a .539 OPS.

Arroyo is 20. They traded him at 18. He didn't play last year. WTF kind of development are you talking about?

The world seems down on Locklear. Perhaps he'll hit as a major leaguer but many don't think he will.

The same Cole Young that slugged .390 in AA?

Like do you read this shit before you post it?

[Donn Beach]

This is a trophy-prize article waiting to be written! Why has no reporter in this town NOT dug deeper into the morass that is Mariner baseball? Why is it that we can develop pitchers, in fact resurrect pitchers, and yet not develop hitters? Someone, somewhere, needs to dig into this and get their hands dirty. Are they afraid the M's F.O. and owners won't talk to them? Are they talking to them now?

Well, they have focused on pitching, that's where the draft capital was spent up until recently. They play in TMobile. They have traded a number of hitters away that they developed

Outside of the great Kelenic, name two other hitters they developed over the past five or six years.

Okay, hitters developed or hitting prospects traded, this is who I can think of off hand, Ketel Marte, Tyler O'Neil, Noelvi Marte, Edwin Arroyo, Julio Rodriguez, Cal Raleigh, Brad Miller, Kyle Lewis, Cade Marlowe, Gabriel Gonzalez, Chris Taylor, Luis Rengifo

[GL_Storm]

How are position player prospects relevant to the question of the Mariners org's ability to develop hitters?

I think what counts are the following:

1) Players drafted by the Mariners, signed as IFAs, or acquired early in their minor league careers that then go on to have multiple productive seasons as major leaguers.

2) Players acquired as young major leaguers that visibly and significantly improve while playing for the Mariners.

3) Successful reclamation projects like Robles

You should also, from time to time, hear players that come here say nice things about the coaching staff and the efforts made by the organization to work with players and make them better hitters. There should be some sort of buzz like we have on the pitching side.

[D-train]

Outside of the great Kelenic, name two other hitters they developed over the past five or six years.

Julio? does he count?
Cal
JP (he was a failed prospect when he was acquired)
Noelvi Marte
Edwin Arroyo
Tyler Locklear
Cole Young (on his way)

??? Bro why are you so routinely bad at this.

Julio was supposed to be the next coming of Jesus. He put up a .734 OPS in his 3rd year in the majors when he's supposed to be Mike Trout. His bat has gotten worse each year in the majors. That's not supposed to happen.

Cal and his career .218 BA and .740 OPS? Yeah?

JP Crawford has had one good season with the bat. He's had 5 seasons of a .684 OPS or worse with the M's. He's a horrible hitter.

Noelvi Marte was technically the worst player in the majors last year over his 66 games. He put up -1.8 bWAR with a .539 OPS.

Arroyo is 20. They traded him at 18. He didn't play last year. WTF kind of development are you talking about?

The world seems down on Locklear. Perhaps he'll hit as a major leaguer but many don't think he will.

The same Cole Young that slugged .390 in AA?

Like do you read this shit before you post it?

This is my fault. He had to use 97% of his brain power to scroll "super far" down so didn't have much left to dedicate to that post. lol

[Seattle or Bust]

It's not a reporter's job to simply ask a question and write down verbatim what they tell you. When you don't question the legitimacy of the story from the source, you become propaganda.

It's a reporters job to get the truth.

The Seattle Times just has a dogshit sports editor who doesn't hold his reporters to higher standards.

Has nothing to do with opining.

First of all, that is the job. You can certainly do that level of work and execute the job you were hired to do.
Secondly SoB, you don't have a fucking clue as to whether or not Jude did or didn't do that so maybe bite your tongue

I was a reporter lol.

If I had written what Jude did at my publication… my editor would have ripped me a new A-hole.

The first question in response would be, “so why wasn’t he a good fit and why don’t know you know that?” The second question would be, “are you 100% sure it wasn’t due to Yoshida’s money? Get the to the bottom of it.”

[DavidGee24]

Outside of the great Kelenic, name two other hitters they developed over the past five or six years.

Julio? does he count?
Cal
JP (he was a failed prospect when he was acquired)
Noelvi Marte
Edwin Arroyo
Tyler Locklear
Cole Young (on his way)

??? Bro why are you so routinely bad at this.

Julio was supposed to be the next coming of Jesus. He put up a .734 OPS in his 3rd year in the majors when he's supposed to be Mike Trout. His bat has gotten worse each year in the majors. That's not supposed to happen.

Cal and his career .218 BA and .740 OPS? Yeah?

JP Crawford has had one good season with the bat. He's had 5 seasons of a .684 OPS or worse with the M's. He's a horrible hitter.

Noelvi Marte was technically the worst player in the majors last year over his 66 games. He put up -1.8 bWAR with a .539 OPS.

Arroyo is 20. They traded him at 18. He didn't play last year. WTF kind of development are you talking about?

The world seems down on Locklear. Perhaps he'll hit as a major leaguer but many don't think he will.

The same Cole Young that slugged .390 in AA?

Like do you read this shit before you post it?

Dude went 1-7 there. I would say that Cal has met his projection due to his power. Julio obviously hasn't, JP has had only one really good season as a hitter, Marte started off well and then got busted for PEDs at which point the air went out of the balloon. Arroyo? I don't think Vogie even looked him up. Finally, as we all know, Locklear and Young have not stood out at all hitting-wise. I just wonder what the hell is going through Vogie's mind as he clicks on "SUBMIT".

Just imagine if Vogie had been on the Mariners Forum in 1985, he'd be telling us about how the Mariner organization has done such a great job developing guys like Manny Castillo, Johnny Moses, Domingo Ramos, and Al "Choo Choo" Chambers.

[D-train]

It's not a reporter's job to simply ask a question and write down verbatim what they tell you. When you don't question the legitimacy of the story from the source, you become propaganda.

It's a reporters job to get the truth.

The Seattle Times just has a dogshit sports editor who doesn't hold his reporters to higher standards.

Has nothing to do with opining.

First of all, that is the job. You can certainly do that level of work and execute the job you were hired to do.
Secondly SoB, you don't have a fucking clue as to whether or not Jude did or didn't do that so maybe bite your tongue

I was a reporter lol.

If I had written what Jude did at my publication… my editor would have ripped me a new A-hole.

The first question in response would be, “so why wasn’t he a good fit and why don’t know you know that?” The second question would be, “are you 100% sure it wasn’t due to Yoshida’s money? Get the to the bottom of it.”

Exactly. I remember a couple off seasons ago when all the elite SSs were FAs. Larry Stone got up the balls to ask if we would be in on any of them and Jerry comes back with the BS that they are interested but they would be asked to move to 2B in deference to JP freaking Crawford. Did Jerry ask the obvious follow up question "so do you think that just might put you at a slight disadvantage vs. teams that are let them to actually play the position that they have played their ENTIRE careers?. No, no he did not.

[bpj]

Well the good news is that Julio only costs $20M this season since his mega contract kicks in!

Second highest paid player on the team.

The crest! Huzzah!

[bhofferb]

My theory is that Vogelbomb works for the M's. Jerry, is that you?