New OC thread

[D-train]

Yeah nepotism a retread and all we know is he's a better play caller than Nathaniel Hackett. Definitely not much to get excited about

[Donn Beach]

I don't see any nepotism, and I don't see him as a retread, I don't see where he's ever been fired. He's worked under three coaches that were fired, Zimmer, Hackett and now Allen. It's actually an opportunity that he became available. I think the guy sounds interesting. Like I was saying about Grubb, the key is a coherent progression of plays, supposedly kubiak gets it

Dan Orlovsky

“In that tree that Klint comes from, that scheme, the most fundamental part of it is everything looks the same. There is always a butterfly effect to a play call and things are always constantly attached. There’s a consistent sequencing of events. You’re painting a picture so often in that scheme, rather than writing a letter. … And (former Seahawks OC) Ryan Grubb’s stuff this year, I do think that there was, ‘We’re gonna call this play. And then we’re gonna call this play. And then two quarters later, we’re gonna call this play.’ There wasn’t a lot of attachment to the, all right, we called this and we have these three things off of it that are gonna look the same or they were set up because of. I think that’s the fundamental difference

Daniel Jeremiah

“He’s got a really good reputation around the league. And that’s a system that’s had a lot of success. … I would sell you on the fact that half the league runs this offense, so in terms of finding players and fitting players in, when you get free agents, there’s a pretty good chance they’ve played in this offense before. So you have some familiarity before. It has success. There’s a lot of teams that run it. There’s a lot of teams that have been very successful with it. You don’t have to have 330-pound mauling offensive linemen. You can take a little bit of an undersized player who’s really athletic.”

Brian Baldinger

“I think Klint Kubiak is a good coach. Things fell apart in New Orleans last year all the way around, but they started the season off as the hottest offense in football. I feel like Klint Kubiak and that Shanahan tree … of stretch runs, play-action passes off it, I feel like you can add power (runs) to it. I think there’s some flexibility in the run game there. But I feel like that’s a good-looking symphony when it’s working well together. … I feel like Kubiak could be very successful up there in Seattle, especially with the receivers that they have.”

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[Michael K.]

Dan Orlovsky
“In that tree that Klint comes from, that scheme...."

Daniel Jeremiah
“He’s got a really good reputation around the league. And that’s a system that’s had a lot of success. … I would sell you on the fact that half the league runs this offense....."

Brian Baldinger
“I think Klint Kubiak is a good coach. Things fell apart in New Orleans last year all the way around, but they started the season off as the hottest offense in football. I feel like Klint Kubiak and that Shanahan tree …."

We get it, everyone loves the Shannahan "tree". He got hired because of his last name and the fact that he comes from a tree that has been successful in the past. A lot of successful systems end up failing because the league figures them out. What Shanahan style systems are out there right now?

When I google'd "What NFL offenses run the Shannahan system"? I got 49ers, Dolphins, Packers and Rams. So, two teams that didn't make the playoffs and another who's only playoff win was against the other one. Pete Carroll thought he had a defensive system. It's funny what happens to Xs and Os when you don't have the Jimmy's and Joes. Not saying there is no chance this works, but just acting like all it takes is to hire a Shanahan robot is silly.

[Donn Beach]

Who said anything about it's all it takes, personally I find it more agreeable than a college coach that discovered the pros was about dealing with defensive schemes, I don't want to spend the time to grow a new tree

[Michael K.]

Who said it was? Well, you seemed to disagree that it was nepotism, then posted three comments were his Shanahan tree is mentioned. So? I'd say you said it. I realize you haye actually forming or stating your opinion, but sure seems you are for this hire and glad they got rid of Grubb. No?

[Donn Beach]

His father didn't give him a job, he worked up through the ranks of coaching beginning in college. Because you go into the profession of your father isn't nepotism.

It is interesting the relationship between the kubiak and shanahan families.

When Gary Kubiak became Texans head coach in 2006, he added Kyle Shanahan to his staff. The younger Shanahan spent four seasons in Houston in various roles under Kubiak, serving as the wide receivers coach in 2006, quarterbacks coach in 2007, and OC in 2008 and 2009. Shanahan then left to become Washington’s OC in 2010 and later had two more OC stops before taking the 49ers’ head-coaching job in 2017.

• Prior to taking the Seattle OC job, Klint Kubiak served a pair of one-year OC stints with the Minnesota Vikings in 2021 and the New Orleans Saints in 2024. Between those two OC gigs, Kubiak spent the 2023 season on Kyle Shanahan’s staff as the 49ers’ passing game coordinator. San Francisco reached the Super Bowl that year, while quarterback Brock Purdy finished fifth in passing yardage and ranked No. 1 in ESPN’s QBR metric.

I don't see where klint kubiak is anymore nepotism and a retread than Kyle shanahan. Kyle turned out okay, who knows, maybe klint will too.

I'm not glad they got rid of Grubb, but I see it as reasonable. I accept he wasn't a good fit, far as I know he agrees he wasn't a good fit. It was a messy way of doing it but MM has commented he has a better understanding now of what he wants to do, build his staff, the team he envisions. The important thing is he's got it right with this hire. It's very important he has the right OC to work with. Ideally it should be like having a second HC that runs the offense for him. I don't think MM is trying to micromanage the offense. I think it's the opposite, he doesn't want to have to think about it, he wants to focus on his defense. So hopefully kubiak can fill that role for him. I like it, I think between his family and his career kubiak knows a heck of a lot about football. I prefer this over the guys that would have still needed help calling plays

[Michael K.]

You assume he needed help calling plays. He had a dogshit O Line and a turnover prone QB. I’d say ten wins and a top ten passing offense is pretty good. MM didn’t like it, so he canned him. That is micromanaging. It’s very Pete like. “Yeah, we win, but I’d rather lose my way.”

Complimentary football is what defensive minded coaches say when they want to use the “my defense was tired” excuse. Why is it that the defense is the only one tire? The defense played too many plays. Weird, was the other team’s offense resting while your defense was playing?

There were not enough fingers pointed away from JS and MM, so they fired someone. Now? No one is talking about it. They didn’t get their man, but no one in Seattle cares. Certainly not the media. Just slobber all over him because he spent some time with Shannahan. Waldron spent time with McVey. Ask Seattle and Chicago how much that benefitted him!

[Michael K.]

75 and 80 yard game winning drives by the Rams and Vikings. In three and four plays. Was that complimentary? Why no mention? Because Seattle is soft as shit, that’s why. JS and MM are like the Wizards of Oz….look anywhere but behind the curtain.

Complimentary. Only when you want to blame the offense.

[Donn Beach]

You assume he needed help calling plays. He had a dogshit O Line and a turnover prone QB. I’d say ten wins and a top ten passing offense is pretty good. MM didn’t like it, so he canned him. That is micromanaging. It’s very Pete like. “Yeah, we win, but I’d rather lose my way.”

Complimentary football is what defensive minded coaches say when they want to use the “my defense was tired” excuse. Why is it that the defense is the only one tire? The defense played too many plays. Weird, was the other team’s offense resting while your defense was playing?

There were not enough fingers pointed away from JS and MM, so they fired someone. Now? No one is talking about it. They didn’t get their man, but no one in Seattle cares. Certainly not the media. Just slobber all over him because he spent some time with Shannahan. Waldron spent time with McVey. Ask Seattle and Chicago how much that benefitted him!

I wasn't referring to Grubb, I was referring to the other candidates. They were going to hire a passing game coordinator to help Fraley call plays. I like that kubiak doesn't need help.

I thought the issue now was disappointment in the kubiak hire. It's not clear to me what you guys would have liked in a hire, what would have made it exciting. Yeah, I like that he worked with shanahan, it's experience, it's learning a system. MM worked with the Harbough's he brought that experience, that system with him. That to me is building a solid foundation to a team. Now experience seems to have a negative connotation, it's retreads. Anyway, I'm hopeful this hire works

[Donn Beach]

DeBoer at the senior bowl, asked about Grubb, has nice things to say

"We go way back," DeBoer said, per Tuscaloosa News. "Great friend of mine. I think the world of him as a football coach and obviously as a person, too. I know he is working through his process just after what last season brought. Just kind of see what he does there. Here for him whenever he needs me, and that's always going to be the case."