Seahawks' Free Agent Tracker

[Donn Beach]

There were issues with Grubb, that's simply a fact. I don't see how JC firing him gives him any real cover. It was JC that hired him in the first place thats on JC . Firing people is a failure, it's disruptive to an organization, sets things back. It's a clumsy way to try and fix mistakes. Its not the way successful organizations operate. I think that's one of the reasons the Seahawks are admired around the league. Its seen as a stable organization, they don't do a lot of firing

[Michael K.]

You are impossible. Please, name the OC we fired that made an impact on the O Line? It is a constant issue, and every time JS starts to take some heat on the O Line, as I have said about 6,456,152 times this off season? He fires the OC and all the local media does is cover how great it's going to be. Again, it is EXACTLY what the Mariners do with Hitting Coaches, and it works every time. All the media discusses is how great it's going to be now, guys like you lap it up, and nothing changes, until we fire the next Hitting Coach or OC.

But into it all you want, again, JS is no better than the assclowns in the Mariners FO. They just never get called out by the apathetic coffee sippers that make up the Seattle media....and a lot of their fan base. At least the fan base that has enough money to matter to the FOs.

JS would have been thrown to the wolves in most big markets by now. So would everyone to touch the Mariners FO in the past two decades. But, here? It don't matter.

[Donn Beach]

JS isn't taking any heat from the media?, come on. Here's three I found quickly, I've shown you others in terms of criticizing his off season. The last one is a Corbin Smith article from last season. I posted it then, thought it was a pretty good look at JS


https://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/a ... 37164.html

https://motorcyclesports.net/john-schne ... n-lineman/

https://www.si.com/nfl/seahawks/seahawk ... microscope

[Donn Beach]

Here's another one

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/sea ... 4b02fea9b6

[Michael K.]

I'm sure you can find articles critical of the Eagles. Fuck, they wanted to fire Siriani right up until he won the Super Bowl! Someone would have attempted to murder JS if he was the GM in Philly!

You are missing the point. Turn on the local radio station. Read the majority of the articles written, the vast majority are about all the changes and how great things will be. Similar to when Bates, Bevell, Schotty and Waldron were made the scapegoat. We haven't had one OC hired away, they've all been fired. Nothing to see here, just let him pick the next one and everything will be fixed.

Every one of those GMs would have been light years better with a functioning O Line. Blaming Grubb for all the sins last year is fucking ludicrous. We invest NOTHING in the O Line, get NOTHING in return, and then blame the guy we handed NOTHING to.

Once? OK, maybe even twice. But every year?

Yep, there are a few articles. Here's one....from November.

Remember when the Seahawks had a good offensive line? Hint: not in John Schneider era

Read more at: https://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/a ... rylink=cpy

Run the Fucking ball Grubb! I wonder why he didn't?

Over the past two weeks, the Seahawks have driven inside the opponent’s 20-yard line seven times. On those seven red-zone possessions, they have run the ball 11 times for a net of -1 yards.

Read more at: https://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/a ... rylink=cpy

Sure, you can find some critical, and good on Danny O'Neil for growing balls and being critical. But they are few and far between.

If EVERY FUCKING O LINE UNDER ONE GM HAS SUCKED? How do you buy this bullshit of yet another OC will fix it? How the FUCK is it not the lead story at least once a week? Nope, Kiss the organizations ass, or reap the whirlwind.

I hope like Hell he admits his flaws, and we invest heavily early and often. But something tells me we draft a Safety and WR early, claim BPA has always worked for us, we sign a few scraps off the first cut list, go into the season with a shitty O Line, finish the season with an even shittier O Line, and guys like you chalk it up a lack of cohesion, and all we need to do is give the 57 new coaches we hired to fix it another year.

[auroraave]

I would pump the brakes on comparing the Seahawks to the Mariners. Under Schneider they have been a perpetual playoff team - one losing season - two SB trips - the Mariners haven't done anything, EVER, in almost 50 years. You can criticize JS all day long, fairly or unfairly, but under him the Seahawks have been relevant. When have the Mariners EVER been relevant? 2001? I like all the off season moves - they make sense. Blowing money on expensive free agents to sate the fans is just not the way to go. They have stockpiled draft picks - they have cap space - I'd wait until after the draft, at the very least, to get the 'fire JS" drums going. One thing is for sure - no matter how good any position group is on this team - it'll never be good enough for some people. Not ever. If they had all pros at every oline position and one was injured, there would be the 'fire JS because he doesn't have HOF depth." Olines are hard to build - every position group is - and no matter who you draft or bring in - there are no guarantees. NOT signing these expensive free agent olinemen might be the best off season move he's made so far. The minute one got injured this place would melt down "how could he sign a guy that gets injured!!!!" 10000000000000% guaranteed.

Maybe instead of ranting and raving - take a step back and look at the long play - this team is moving in the right direction. Lot of good moves - including building a dominant defense that will keep the team in most games no matter what. It's cool to watch the strategy unfold.

[Michael K.]

I would pump the brakes on comparing the Seahawks to the Mariners. Under Schneider they have been a perpetual playoff team - one losing season - two SB trips - the Mariners haven't done anything, EVER, in almost 50 years. You can criticize JS all day long, fairly or unfairly, but under him the Seahawks have been relevant. When have the Mariners EVER been relevant? 2001?

Firing the OC every year and never fixing the root problem is EXACTLY like firing Managers and Hitting Coaches but never changing the quality of hitter we acquire. It's scapegoating, and thanks to the fact that the Organizations are both located in Starbucks City? They get away with it. I didn't say the Organizations are exactly alike, I said that philosophy is used by both....because they can, and do, get away with it.

Fifteen fucking years of shit O Lines, but nothing to see here. Bullshit.

I like all the off season moves - they make sense. Blowing money on expensive free agents to sate the fans is just not the way to go. They have stockpiled draft picks - they have cap space - I'd wait until after the draft, at the very least, to get the 'fire JS" drums going.

He's had fifteen years to build an O Line, never has. Sorry if I don't buy it. The prize possession he wanted signed the same deal with someone else because we shorted the years. Zero reason to do that in today's NFL. The Salary cap grows by leaps and bounds every year. Adding years to bring in the best Interior O Lineman to a team that is GROSSLY deficient on the O Line? Make sense to everyone but JS.

One thing is for sure - no matter how good any position group is on this team - it'll never be good enough for some people. Not ever. If they had all pros at every oline position and one was injured, there would be the 'fire JS because he doesn't have HOF depth." Olines are hard to build - every position group is - and no matter who you draft or bring in - there are no guarantees. NOT signing these expensive free agent olinemen might be the best off season move he's made so far. The minute one got injured this place would melt down "how could he sign a guy that gets injured!!!!" 10000000000000% guaranteed.

Strawman. The man has NEVER signed an Impact O Lineman, yet his backers scream "even if he did you wouldn't be happy". He needs to actually make an effort to do what he refuses to do before we can say it won't work. Go look at the investment placed on O Line and D Line by the Eagles, and tell me JS's philosophy works. Funny, aren't you the guy that pounded the table that drafting a CB was stupid when a stud DL was available? I seem to recall you screaming "build from the front back". It's no different with the O Line. Fifteen fucking years of the same shit. I guess you were one that wanted Kelenic to get more time too huh?

[auroraave]

I would pump the brakes on comparing the Seahawks to the Mariners. Under Schneider they have been a perpetual playoff team - one losing season - two SB trips - the Mariners haven't done anything, EVER, in almost 50 years. You can criticize JS all day long, fairly or unfairly, but under him the Seahawks have been relevant. When have the Mariners EVER been relevant? 2001?

Firing the OC every year and never fixing the root problem is EXACTLY like firing Managers and Hitting Coaches but never changing the quality of hitter we acquire. It's scapegoating, and thanks to the fact that the Organizations are both located in Starbucks City? They get away with it. I didn't say the Organizations are exactly alike, I said that philosophy is used by both....because they can, and do, get away with it.

Fifteen fucking years of shit O Lines, but nothing to see here. Bullshit.

I like all the off season moves - they make sense. Blowing money on expensive free agents to sate the fans is just not the way to go. They have stockpiled draft picks - they have cap space - I'd wait until after the draft, at the very least, to get the 'fire JS" drums going.

He's had fifteen years to build an O Line, never has. Sorry if I don't buy it. The prize possession he wanted signed the same deal with someone else because we shorted the years. Zero reason to do that in today's NFL. The Salary cap grows by leaps and bounds every year. Adding years to bring in the best Interior O Lineman to a team that is GROSSLY deficient on the O Line? Make sense to everyone but JS.

One thing is for sure - no matter how good any position group is on this team - it'll never be good enough for some people. Not ever. If they had all pros at every oline position and one was injured, there would be the 'fire JS because he doesn't have HOF depth." Olines are hard to build - every position group is - and no matter who you draft or bring in - there are no guarantees. NOT signing these expensive free agent olinemen might be the best off season move he's made so far. The minute one got injured this place would melt down "how could he sign a guy that gets injured!!!!" 10000000000000% guaranteed.

Strawman. The man has NEVER signed an Impact O Lineman, yet his backers scream "even if he did you wouldn't be happy". He needs to actually make an effort to do what he refuses to do before we can say it won't work. Go look at the investment placed on O Line and D Line by the Eagles, and tell me JS's philosophy works. Funny, aren't you the guy that pounded the table that drafting a CB was stupid when a stud DL was available? I seem to recall you screaming "build from the front back". It's no different with the O Line. Fifteen fucking years of the same shit. I guess you were one that wanted Kelenic to get more time too huh?

I literally have no idea who or what Kelenic is.

[Michael K.]

I literally have no idea who or what Kelenic is.

We always do end up finding something we can agree on AA!

I don't disagree with you. I love the draft capital. The problem is, we have drafted pretty well the last few years, but because we refuse to augment the O Line, we have not gotten better as a team. I blamed Pete, that is over and done with. And the revolving door at OC and the fucking blame game has gotten old. For every article Donn can show me blaming JS, there are about forty others talking about how great it will be this time with the new coaches. I listen to KIRO when I can, and on my drive to practice, the constant blathering by Wyman and Bob is ridiculous. If they aren't talking about the up coming Mariner sweep over someone, they are talking about how great things will be now that we have new coaching staffs. It's fucking stupid.

[auroraave]

I literally have no idea who or what Kelenic is.

We always do end up finding something we can agree on AA!

I don't disagree with you. I love the draft capital. The problem is, we have drafted pretty well the last few years, but because we refuse to augment the O Line, we have not gotten better as a team. I blamed Pete, that is over and done with. And the revolving door at OC and the fucking blame game has gotten old. For every article Donn can show me blaming JS, there are about forty others talking about how great it will be this time with the new coaches. I listen to KIRO when I can, and on my drive to practice, the constant blathering by Wyman and Bob is ridiculous. If they aren't talking about the up coming Mariner sweep over someone, they are talking about how great things will be now that we have new coaching staffs. It's fucking stupid.

I agree the oline is an issue - not really debatable. I do think there are factors involved not HELPING the situation - like Grubb. This team won 10 games last year - they didn't look that good at times but think of what an experienced OC could have gleaned from this roster. You have to put guys in positions to succeed, you have to scheme to your strengths and weaknesses - I don't think Grubb did that on any level. He has a great playbook, but that doesn't help if you aren't factoring in the other teams strengths, weaknesses and schemes. That's where he failed and where I think the new OC excels.