Soleimani Killed.....About Damn Time

[Donn Beach]

now he is threatening Iraq along with Iran...pay us back for what?...occupying their country? Can't we just get the fuck out of the middle east? Remember Bush in 2003 telling us mission accomplished? lol

"If they do ask us to leave – if we don’t do it in a very friendly basis -- we will charge them sanctions like they’ve never seen before," Trump said.

"It’ll make Iranian sanctions look somewhat tame."

Trump said the US base in Iraq was "very extraordinarily expensive."

"We're not leaving unless they pay us back for it," he said

[Donn Beach]

and sure enough they are running up troop levels there again...get us out!

Lt. Col. Mike Burns, a spokesman for the 82nd Airborne Division, told The Associated Press 3,500 members of the division’s quick-deployment brigade, known officially as its Immediate Response Force, will have deployed within a few days. The most recent group of service members to deploy will join about 700 who left earlier in the week, Burns said.

[Coeurd’Alene J]

Have a little more patience.... The bush and Obama administration completely fucked up the Middle East with regime change.

[Donn Beach]

that was my point Jay, we were involved in regime change in Iran in 1953 when we helped topple the govt and install the Shah. And that turned into the hostage crisis under Carter which Trump alludes to. That is all we ever do is attempt regime changes. Now instead of getting our asses out of there like he promised, Trump seems to be tinkering with his own regime change fantasies. And no, i have no confidence in him than anybody else that has ever tried it.

[Sibelius Hindemith]

General Soleimani was in Iraq for the purpose of directing attacks on U.S. military assets as well as civilian contract workers. These attacks were reportedly imminent and serious. This guy needed to be taken out and should have been years ago.

With regard to the threat posed by the Iranian regime, people seem unaware of some very basic facts. For one, they have been stockpiling far more enriched uranium, even while the treaty was in effect, than they needed for generating power, ostensibly as a reserve for creating weapons grade material quickly and in large quantities once the treaty expired (or sooner no doubt if they had a method of delivery ready to go). This is just what is known with the limited inspections by foreigners that were allowed under the terms of the deal. Since no Anerican inspectors were allowed and only Iranian ones at several facilities, the reality is likely far worse.

In addition, Iran has been building and testing ballistic missile designs unhindered in violation of prior international agreements. They have put at least one satellite into space which shows they could easily launch an EMP attack with a basic nuke warhead of a type that N. Korea is already believed to posess. In addition, they have cruise missiles and advanced radar air defense systems purchased from Russia in part with the massive freeing of assetts by Obama as part of their idiotic deal. How do you think they were able to shoot down a drone that supposedly incorporated our latest stealth technology?

In addition to this, the Iranians have taken complete control of Lebanon (where they have tens of thousands of rockets and missiles aimed at Israel), have military bases in Syria and military assetts all over the globe, including central and south America. They have supplied Yemeni militant groups with weapons that they have used to attack Saudi Arabia as well as U.S. war ships. And, of course, they have supplied Iraquis and Taliban fighters with armor penetrating explosive devices used to kill hundreds of Anerican soldiers and severely would many more.

This is all well known stuff that has been widely reported from multiple sources. To think Iran, with its radical theologic leadership, doesn't pose a threat to us, as well as the West in general, is naive if not ignorant.

[Donn Beach]

sure, that is the basically the arguments Bush used to invade Iraq isn't it? So lets go for it! that sure worked out well for Bush

[Sibelius Hindemith]

Like i said, those things are commonly known facts. The reports of WMD's in Iraq were largely fabricated by the same "Intelligence" community that the left wants us to believe is beyond reproach. So it's just not the same situation here as that was. Iran is far more militarily capable and advanced than Iraq was.

[Donn Beach]

I don't know about that, remember the "mother of all battles" deal with Iraq, Iraq and Iran basically fought to a standoff for what, ten years. I am not disputing your facts, and even if they had actually found WMD in Iraq that wouldn't change the quagmire it turned into would it, only the justification for it. So what do we do about Iran? We have troops stationed in Iraq because of the nightmare that it became, that and Syria. So, attempt another regime change in Iran? Destabilize that country as well? You do realize that all that has come from our efforts to control the region with regime change is push it to more radicalism. That is the irony of the thing, for as displeasing as Iraq was, it was keeping a lid on the religious radicals, the Ba'ath Party was secular.

[Donn Beach]

You go back to 2001, we didn't invade Afghanistan at first, we sat there shy to do it, let Bin Laden escape. But for some reason veered and attacked Iraq. The region at that time was actually relatively stable. We can talk about Iraq but it was a functioning country and was secular, as was Syria, both stable and secular. Iran was Iran, but Syria and Iraq were buffer states. So what do we do, invade and through the whole place into chaos. A lot of the issues we have with radical fundamentalism we brought on ourselves by taking out Hussam and destabilizing the region. As well as give Iran a clear path to increase its influence. So now what, instead of disengaging we are going to take on Iran and add it to the mix, okay, we will see how that goes

[Sibelius Hindemith]

I agree with most of that. Keep in mind, the Iran-Iraq war goes back to the early 80's and Iran would have won that if the U.S. wasn't giving material aid to the Iraqis. Basically, and partly due to the effects of overthrowing Hussein, Iran now has the ability to take control of the entire region step by step one nation at a time. If someone doesn't stop them in Iraq it will become much more difficult to contain them. And, more importantly, the loss of life in surrounding regions could be massive.