Bronx Busted game thread

[Donn Beach]

By all accounts, Dan Wilson is a nice as they come. And I was a fan of his during his playing days.

That said, for 2 reasons, he gets a big part of the blame for this one, along with the bullpen, and here's why:

1). Woo comes out for the 8th with a no-hitter and around 90 pitches thrown. Brash should have already been warming up to start the inning given Woo's pitch count, but NO! So what happens? Woo gives up a leadoff single. At that point, his pitch count is well into the 90's. He's gassed, and the no-hitter is gone. An already warmed-up Brash should have been coming in at that time. But Dan decides to keep Woo out there and finally decides he should get a reliever warming up?? And low and behold, the next batter singles, putting runners at 1st and 3rd and nobody out. At that point, everyone knows Woo is gassed. But since they didn't have anyone warming up to start the inning, they need a gassed Woo to face another hitter to give Brash more time to get ready. That batter hits a sacrifice fly and they finally come out and get Woo. Was Brash even ready at that point? Is that why he served up the HR ball to Stanton?
Bottom line, after the leadoff single, Woo should have been pulled. Everyone knows that. He was done. But for some unknown reason, Wilson didn't have anyone warming up to start the inning. Terrible in-game managing.

2). This one was even more shocking and perplexing. Bottom of the 10th inning of a tie game. One out, winning run on 2nd. Next two scheduled batters are Goldschmidt and Grisham. If Speier can retire both those hitters, Judge is left on deck to lead off the next inning. But what does Dan do? He decides to INTENTIONALLY walk Goldschmidt to set up a double play, and almost guarantees Judge, the best hitter in the league, will be coming up with the game on the line. I mean honestly, who other than Dan Wilson would do that? That may be one of the dumbest managerial decisions I've ever seen in all my years watching baseball.

Wilson is in over his head. He has no clue what he's doing. But because he's a yes man and lapdog for Dipoto and Stanton, his job is probably safe. It's the reason he got the job in the first place, without even a managerial search.

Why does it have to be so hard to be a fan of this team? Am I in hell?

In regards to number one, i don't think it's that simple in terms of warming guys up. This is why you don't send a pitcher out that seems to be pitching okay and wait until he appears to be struggling to replace him. Fans get pissed at pitchers being replaced after the sixth or seventh inning when they seem to be pitching okay. But it makes sense to start your reliever with a clean inning with nobody on base

[seth8734]

If u watch the replay looks like Volpe was tagged before touching the bag. Dan still had a challenge should have used it Cal had him out worth less ump. If it wad us he would have been called out. Stupid Skanks get everything.

[Millikin]

Munoz apparently was tipping his pitches, according to Cal!

I remember a couple years ago I identified that Munoz had been doing a different leg kick for fastballs than for sliders, but it only lasted a couple games.

https://nypost.com/2025/07/11/sports/ya ... ign=nypost

[Lamda]

Munoz apparently was tipping his pitches, according to Cal!

I remember a couple years ago I identified that Munoz had been doing a different leg kick for fastballs than for sliders, but it only lasted a couple games.

https://nypost.com/2025/07/11/sports/ya ... ign=nypost

I noticed that too during the game - when a certain pitch was thrown the guy at 2nd was waiving like crazy. Of course, Dan being an idiot - doesn't think that's what was happening lol... good to know our manager is not only bad at what he does, but also clueless.

[TraderGary]

By all accounts, Dan Wilson is a nice as they come. And I was a fan of his during his playing days.

That said, for 2 reasons, he gets a big part of the blame for this one, along with the bullpen, and here's why:

1). Woo comes out for the 8th with a no-hitter and around 90 pitches thrown. Brash should have already been warming up to start the inning given Woo's pitch count, but NO! So what happens? Woo gives up a leadoff single. At that point, his pitch count is well into the 90's. He's gassed, and the no-hitter is gone. An already warmed-up Brash should have been coming in at that time. But Dan decides to keep Woo out there and finally decides he should get a reliever warming up?? And low and behold, the next batter singles, putting runners at 1st and 3rd and nobody out. At that point, everyone knows Woo is gassed. But since they didn't have anyone warming up to start the inning, they need a gassed Woo to face another hitter to give Brash more time to get ready. That batter hits a sacrifice fly and they finally come out and get Woo. Was Brash even ready at that point? Is that why he served up the HR ball to Stanton?
Bottom line, after the leadoff single, Woo should have been pulled. Everyone knows that. He was done. But for some unknown reason, Wilson didn't have anyone warming up to start the inning. Terrible in-game managing.

2). This one was even more shocking and perplexing. Bottom of the 10th inning of a tie game. One out, winning run on 2nd. Next two scheduled batters are Goldschmidt and Grisham. If Speier can retire both those hitters, Judge is left on deck to lead off the next inning. But what does Dan do? He decides to INTENTIONALLY walk Goldschmidt to set up a double play, and almost guarantees Judge, the best hitter in the league, will be coming up with the game on the line. I mean honestly, who other than Dan Wilson would do that? That may be one of the dumbest managerial decisions I've ever seen in all my years watching baseball.

Wilson is in over his head. He has no clue what he's doing. But because he's a yes man and lapdog for Dipoto and Stanton, his job is probably safe. It's the reason he got the job in the first place, without even a managerial search.

Why does it have to be so hard to be a fan of this team? Am I in hell?

In regards to number one, i don't think it's that simple in terms of warming guys up. This is why you don't send a pitcher out that seems to be pitching okay and wait until he appears to be struggling to replace him. Fans get pissed at pitchers being replaced after the sixth or seventh inning when they seem to be pitching okay. But it makes sense to start your reliever with a clean inning with nobody on base

That's fine, but obviously this was a unique situation with Woo having a no-hitter going through 7 innings. Without the no-hitter, there's no way Woo comes out for the 8th, and they would have done exactly what you described. But in this particular instance, Wilson knows he's probably tired, but he can't take him out. So it's absolutely imperative that he has someone ready to come in if/when Woo falters. Yet he didn't even have anyone warming up! Inexcusable in my mind. Just bad managing. And the Judge decision? I'm still trying to wrap my head around that one.

[Millikin]

Munoz apparently was tipping his pitches, according to Cal!

I remember a couple years ago I identified that Munoz had been doing a different leg kick for fastballs than for sliders, but it only lasted a couple games.

https://nypost.com/2025/07/11/sports/ya ... ign=nypost

I noticed that too during the game - when a certain pitch was thrown the guy at 2nd was waiving like crazy. Of course, Dan being an idiot - doesn't think that's what was happening lol... good to know our manager is not only bad at what he does, but also clueless.

After reading the article and thinking about it, it's crazy that Cal didn't run out there and talk to Munoz. Weird also in that story that Dan didn't think he was tipping pitches.

Another fun nugget in that hometown NY Post article: They admit that Mariners would have won if not for a missed strike 3 call. And they blame Cal for not framing the pitch well enough. I can't wait to fast-forward to automated strike zone where calls aren't affected by the catcher's acting ability.

[TraderGary]

By all accounts, Dan Wilson is a nice as they come. And I was a fan of his during his playing days.

That said, for 2 reasons, he gets a big part of the blame for this one, along with the bullpen, and here's why:

1). Woo comes out for the 8th with a no-hitter and around 90 pitches thrown. Brash should have already been warming up to start the inning given Woo's pitch count, but NO! So what happens? Woo gives up a leadoff single. At that point, his pitch count is well into the 90's. He's gassed, and the no-hitter is gone. An already warmed-up Brash should have been coming in at that time. But Dan decides to keep Woo out there and finally decides he should get a reliever warming up?? And low and behold, the next batter singles, putting runners at 1st and 3rd and nobody out. At that point, everyone knows Woo is gassed. But since they didn't have anyone warming up to start the inning, they need a gassed Woo to face another hitter to give Brash more time to get ready. That batter hits a sacrifice fly and they finally come out and get Woo. Was Brash even ready at that point? Is that why he served up the HR ball to Stanton?
Bottom line, after the leadoff single, Woo should have been pulled. Everyone knows that. He was done. But for some unknown reason, Wilson didn't have anyone warming up to start the inning. Terrible in-game managing.

2). This one was even more shocking and perplexing. Bottom of the 10th inning of a tie game. One out, winning run on 2nd. Next two scheduled batters are Goldschmidt and Grisham. If Speier can retire both those hitters, Judge is left on deck to lead off the next inning. But what does Dan do? He decides to INTENTIONALLY walk Goldschmidt to set up a double play, and almost guarantees Judge, the best hitter in the league, will be coming up with the game on the line. I mean honestly, who other than Dan Wilson would do that? That may be one of the dumbest managerial decisions I've ever seen in all my years watching baseball.

Wilson is in over his head. He has no clue what he's doing. But because he's a yes man and lapdog for Dipoto and Stanton, his job is probably safe. It's the reason he got the job in the first place, without even a managerial search.

Why does it have to be so hard to be a fan of this team? Am I in hell?

Holy mother fucking shit Gary. That line Am I in hell. You are officially in my will. Greatest line of all time in M's historyII

Haha, unfortunately you will likely outlive me. Well unfortunate for me anyway. But hey, I'd be open to a down payment.

[TraderGary]

Munoz apparently was tipping his pitches, according to Cal!

I remember a couple years ago I identified that Munoz had been doing a different leg kick for fastballs than for sliders, but it only lasted a couple games.

https://nypost.com/2025/07/11/sports/ya ... ign=nypost

I noticed that too during the game - when a certain pitch was thrown the guy at 2nd was waiving like crazy. Of course, Dan being an idiot - doesn't think that's what was happening lol... good to know our manager is not only bad at what he does, but also clueless.

After reading the article and thinking about it, it's crazy that Cal didn't run out there and talk to Munoz. Weird also in that story that Dan didn't think he was tipping pitches.

Another fun nugget in that hometown NY Post article: They admit that Mariners would have won if not for a missed strike 3 call. And they blame Cal for not framing the pitch well enough. I can't wait to fast-forward to automated strike zone where calls aren't affected by the catcher's acting ability.

Yeah I find that odd as well. As for the pitch framing, I'm not sure that's ever been a strong suit of Cal's. But yes, I remember the exact pitch, and it was over the heart of the plate right at the knees but Cal dropped his glove almost to the ground when he caught it which made it look like it was low.

[Donn Beach]

By all accounts, Dan Wilson is a nice as they come. And I was a fan of his during his playing days.

That said, for 2 reasons, he gets a big part of the blame for this one, along with the bullpen, and here's why:

1). Woo comes out for the 8th with a no-hitter and around 90 pitches thrown. Brash should have already been warming up to start the inning given Woo's pitch count, but NO! So what happens? Woo gives up a leadoff single. At that point, his pitch count is well into the 90's. He's gassed, and the no-hitter is gone. An already warmed-up Brash should have been coming in at that time. But Dan decides to keep Woo out there and finally decides he should get a reliever warming up?? And low and behold, the next batter singles, putting runners at 1st and 3rd and nobody out. At that point, everyone knows Woo is gassed. But since they didn't have anyone warming up to start the inning, they need a gassed Woo to face another hitter to give Brash more time to get ready. That batter hits a sacrifice fly and they finally come out and get Woo. Was Brash even ready at that point? Is that why he served up the HR ball to Stanton?
Bottom line, after the leadoff single, Woo should have been pulled. Everyone knows that. He was done. But for some unknown reason, Wilson didn't have anyone warming up to start the inning. Terrible in-game managing.

2). This one was even more shocking and perplexing. Bottom of the 10th inning of a tie game. One out, winning run on 2nd. Next two scheduled batters are Goldschmidt and Grisham. If Speier can retire both those hitters, Judge is left on deck to lead off the next inning. But what does Dan do? He decides to INTENTIONALLY walk Goldschmidt to set up a double play, and almost guarantees Judge, the best hitter in the league, will be coming up with the game on the line. I mean honestly, who other than Dan Wilson would do that? That may be one of the dumbest managerial decisions I've ever seen in all my years watching baseball.

Wilson is in over his head. He has no clue what he's doing. But because he's a yes man and lapdog for Dipoto and Stanton, his job is probably safe. It's the reason he got the job in the first place, without even a managerial search.

Why does it have to be so hard to be a fan of this team? Am I in hell?

In regards to number one, i don't think it's that simple in terms of warming guys up. This is why you don't send a pitcher out that seems to be pitching okay and wait until he appears to be struggling to replace him. Fans get pissed at pitchers being replaced after the sixth or seventh inning when they seem to be pitching okay. But it makes sense to start your reliever with a clean inning with nobody on base

That's fine, but obviously this was a unique situation with Woo having a no-hitter going through 7 innings. Without the no-hitter, there's no way Woo comes out for the 8th, and they would have done exactly what you described. But in this particular instance, Wilson knows he's probably tired, but he can't take him out. So it's absolutely imperative that he has someone ready to come in if/when Woo falters. Yet he didn't even have anyone warming up! Inexcusable in my mind. Just bad managing. And the Judge decision? I'm still trying to wrap my head around that one.

yeah, I agree, The no hitter deal is a headache for a manager. I didn't put that well, but there's a poster whos handle begins with a V that rants about leaving a starter out there until they are showing obvious signs of weakening. You really don't want that. I felt like this situation exposed why. I like blaming Wilson for everything these days but I don't think it was as simple as having a guy ready to come in if Woo weakened. If it was then you would see starters left out there longer with guys ready to jump in but you don't see that. If you are warming a guy up to come in he needs to come in, that's how i understand it. Warming up is equal to coming in, if you sit him down again its the same as its an appearance, and you are not warming him up and then sitting him again. I just think it was a screwed up situation due to the no hitter aspect, turned into a nightmare.

[AlvinDavisFan21]

I feel bad for all of the Mariners fans that have stood by this team during years of suffering and losing. I am a 45+ year fan and last night was one of the worst losses ever. I have said many times this season I am checking out, but this time it may be true. Someone mentioned earlier on this thread it is never easy. Why can't it be? Baseball gods don't like the Mariners.