Another trade deadline plan.

[Michael K.]

I think the bottom line is that ownership doesn’t care enough about winning to do what it takes.

Correct....but do they have to? If it started hurting the bottom line? I bet things might change. If someone held their feet to the fire? It might change. Jerry's bullshit about 54% was the closest thing to an uproar any fan or media member in Seattle raised. It's an afterthought.

We currently sit 18th in attendance. According to the website below? We are lower than that in average ticket price, so who knows? Maybe it will finally start to hurt these guys. But I kind of doubt it.

https://sports.yahoo.com/article/mlb-te ... 39712.html

[Michael K.]

Pitching has also taken a real step backwards this year, especially in the bullpen.

this is a very overlooked fact. People are focusing in on the offense and I do agree we need a couple of Bats but the Pitching is whats going to make or break this team. The pitchers have given up 405 runs in 93 games. Last Season after 93 games they had given up 349. If we had just had a repeat pitching performance from last year they would have a +67 run differential right now and a projected Pythagorean record of 55-38 which happens to be exactly where the Astros are. By all means they need to get a bat but if the rotation doesn't get healthy and back in a rhythm and if they don't fix the bullpen I am not sure that upgrading the offense is going to be enough.

First, I think the injuries to the starters have been a big issue. Is there a starter available that is better than what we now have? Most admit we need help in the bullpen, but that seems to be the easiest thing to address at the deadline. If all we needed was a bullpen arm to be a contender? We'd be in real good shape. The offense is shit, has been shit, and doesn't seem much better. People point to the improvement, but I wonder what happens if we remove Cal from the equation how much "improved" it really is. We have one guy having a monster season, and it's skewing the stats, IMO.

Cal has 76 RBI and 63 Runs scored. Remove the 36 times he has driven himself in? He has accounted for 103 Runs. We have scored 416 Runs in total. So, Cal has accounted for 25% of our runs scored. Do we really expect him to account for 25% of our offense the rest of the way? I am still baffled as shit why anyone throws him a damn strike.

Sorry, gun to your head, if we keep this team the same as it is right now, do you have more faith in the Pitching or Hitting improving?

[Vogelbomb]

I don't think we NEED more offense, but I will take a 1B bat like Naylor or O'Hearn if we only have to give up a peripheral t12 prospect or two like Peete and Michael Morales or something. YEAH, obviously do that.

But IF you can just keep status quo of how everyone's hitting at this current moment (meaning Cal doing his thing, Randy, Polo, Canzone all hot, Young coming on, Crawford just shy of .800 ops) plus get a Rodriguez .850 ops 2nd half and then return Robles in mid-August and add Laz as a DH/RF bat in September... I'm more than fine with that.

We need to pitch better (which has been happening over last month) and fucking go on a run! We need to learn how to win night in and night out. No more giving winnable games away.

[Donn Beach]

Where’s the rocket science? We are a very good defensive team with above average starting pitching when healthy. We are a horrible offensive team relying solely on the home run. Our bullpen may actually be overachieving with several guys who should be in the minors. We knew all this a year ago. Duh? Stanton is home counting his profits while Jerry and Dan toe the party line. I think the bottom line is that ownership doesn’t care enough about winning to do what it takes.

I don't know, the mariners are above league average in runs, hits, RBIs, SBs, BBs, BA, OBP, SLUG, OPS, OPS+, TBs. It's hard for me to see that as horrible. They are below average in batting average and strikeouts, but for me at least those are the ones I'm least concerned with.

The one thing they are way below average at are doubles which is interesting to me. That's the thing TMobile is supposed to rob and there it is. The mariners have hit 130 doubles, league average is 147

[Vogelbomb]

Where’s the rocket science? We are a very good defensive team with above average starting pitching when healthy. We are a horrible offensive team relying solely on the home run. Our bullpen may actually be overachieving with several guys who should be in the minors. We knew all this a year ago. Duh? Stanton is home counting his profits while Jerry and Dan toe the party line. I think the bottom line is that ownership doesn’t care enough about winning to do what it takes.

I don't know, the mariners are above league average in runs, hits, RBIs, SBs, BBs, BA, OBP, SLUG, OPS, OPS+, TBs. It's hard for me to see that as horrible. They are below average in batting average and strikeouts, but for me at least those are the ones I'm least concerned with.

The one thing they are way below average at are doubles which is interesting to me. That's the thing TMobile is supposed to rob and there it is. The mariners have hit 130 doubles, league average is 147

Well, we're crushing the long ball. This team's power is no joke especially with Canzone and Arozarena teeing off

[Donn Beach]

Where’s the rocket science? We are a very good defensive team with above average starting pitching when healthy. We are a horrible offensive team relying solely on the home run. Our bullpen may actually be overachieving with several guys who should be in the minors. We knew all this a year ago. Duh? Stanton is home counting his profits while Jerry and Dan toe the party line. I think the bottom line is that ownership doesn’t care enough about winning to do what it takes.

I don't know, the mariners are above league average in runs, hits, RBIs, SBs, BBs, BA, OBP, SLUG, OPS, OPS+, TBs. It's hard for me to see that as horrible. They are below average in batting average and strikeouts, but for me at least those are the ones I'm least concerned with.

The one thing they are way below average at are doubles which is interesting to me. That's the thing TMobile is supposed to rob and there it is. The mariners have hit 130 doubles, league average is 147

Well, we're crushing the long ball. This team's power is no joke especially with Canzone and Arozarena teeing off

That's the thing, nobody believes in park factors but how is it possible to be around the top of the league in home runs and near the bottom in doubles. If they were in a league neutral park what would the OPS be?

[Seattle or Bust]

So what if the team has a good wRC+ when Mastroboner, Williamson, and Young are the easiest places to upgrade. Why wouldn't you just drop those players and attempt to make your offense even better?

Get a 3B and 2B at a minimum.

Trade for Geno. Trade for Willi Castro.

You've improved both positions by some 40% in wRC+.

Cole Young and Ben Williamson might be fine down the road but no contending team should be OK with rolling 2x underperforming rookies as starters for a playoff push. Go look at the 1995 M's and Yankees series and the 2x future HOF shortstops who were sitting on the bench.

[Donn Beach]

Hey , you brought up Mastrobuoni, meant to post this, an article on the season he's having. I commented earlier i thought they were happy with him. Point at his numbers but they are better than when they traded and him.

Like him as a pinch hitter as well as his defense

"He's had a lot of great at-bats late in games. ... He's got such a good concept of the strike zone," Mariners manager Dan Wilson said in a postgame interview Thursday. " ... That's what you want late in the game, and he's been able to do that consistently. ... He really thrives in those situations. ... There is an art to it, there's a trick to it and (he's) done a nice job at it."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/mi ... r-AA1HZB2W

[Seattle or Bust]

Hey , you brought up Mastrobuoni, meant to post this, an article on the season he's having. I commented earlier i thought they were happy with him. Point at his numbers but they are better than when they traded and him.

Like him as a pinch hitter as well as his defense

"He's had a lot of great at-bats late in games. ... He's got such a good concept of the strike zone," Mariners manager Dan Wilson said in a postgame interview Thursday. " ... That's what you want late in the game, and he's been able to do that consistently. ... He really thrives in those situations. ... There is an art to it, there's a trick to it and (he's) done a nice job at it."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/mi ... r-AA1HZB2W

Except that they're starting him pretty regularly at 3B which is a problem.

If he was used purely as a late-inning utility guy... fine... but he and Williamson are taking too many AB's.

[Vogelbomb]

Williamson has been more than adequate as an everyday 3b. I'd rather just upgrade 1b