Dilly is a Ranger?

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Re: Dilly is a Ranger?

Post by AlvinDavisFan21 » Sat Aug 30, 2025 6:14 pm

DanielVogelbach wrote:
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Robbie Ray has a 2.38 ERA
Unfortunately, Robbie Ray will always be known for giving up the HR to Alvarez in game 1. A game we were in command all day. Just like last night. At least for me. :-(

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Re: Dilly is a Ranger?

Post by D-train » Sat Aug 30, 2025 6:45 pm

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Pay a SS mote if you want, this has nothing to with salary. I could not care less about saving some fat fucking billionaire money. Some dude gets stuck into the lineup at SS, and gets a WAR bump? Stupid stat.

Do you think Nelson Cruz deserved to lose 17.5 points a year? Utterly useless stat.
If you don't think SSs and Catchers don't have more value defensively than a DH I don't know what to tell you. Edgar put up 60+ WAR as a DH, about the same as Ichiro and Jim Edmonds who was a great CF so it isn't a huge part of the WAR Calc.
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Re: Dilly is a Ranger?

Post by Donn Beach » Sat Aug 30, 2025 8:11 pm

There's an attitude here with multipliers, it usually comes up with Julio in particular. Whenever is war is brought up someone will comment, well yeah, he gets that multiplier, his war is inflated. The reason for it is because he plays a premium defensive position. His war is not inflated by the multiplier, its made more accurate. That's why they use it. To make war more accurate

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Re: Dilly is a Ranger?

Post by Michael K. » Sun Aug 31, 2025 2:43 am

D-train wrote:
Sat Aug 30, 2025 6:45 pm
Michael K. wrote:
Sat Aug 30, 2025 2:47 am
Pay a SS mote if you want, this has nothing to with salary. I could not care less about saving some fat fucking billionaire money. Some dude gets stuck into the lineup at SS, and gets a WAR bump? Stupid stat.

Do you think Nelson Cruz deserved to lose 17.5 points a year? Utterly useless stat.
If you don't think SSs and Catchers don't have more value defensively than a DH I don't know what to tell you. Edgar put up 60+ WAR as a DH, about the same as Ichiro and Jim Edmonds who was a great CF so it isn't a huge part of the WAR Calc.
So you think Edgar deserved a negative 17 in WAR because he was that invaluable those Mariner teams? No fucking chance Julio's CF defense was a +20 or what ever above Edgar because he runs to CF. Bullshit.

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Re: Dilly is a Ranger?

Post by bpj » Tue Sep 02, 2025 5:28 pm

GL_Storm wrote:
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The Mariners wasted his career.
How so?
When Dylan got steady playing time, he was an above average player. Like many players he was streaky, but unlike most players, any time he'd be on a down streak, they'd replace him with the prospect-of-the-week.

When they started jerking him around, he'd fall off. Including this year.

This season, prior to the Mariners calling up Cole Young, Moore had played 45 games and gotten 143 plate appearances. An average of 3.11 per game.

He had an .803 OPS and a 126 wRC+, and was on pace for 2.4 fWAR, while playing multiple positions.

Then, they handed his playing time to Cole Young/Ben Williamson. After 5/31, when Young was called up, Moore got 70 plate appearances in 44 games (1.59 per game). And didn't play half the games in between. Jerked around.

And then fans are like, wow, what's wrong with Dylan Moore?? All he's ever needed is steady playing time. Instead, they'd call up Kelenic, or any of these other bums they've run through here and leapfrogged over Moore his entire career. They wasted a good player by handing the opportunites to a long list of losers hoping they'd be better than Moore.

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Re: Dilly is a Ranger?

Post by Michael K. » Tue Sep 02, 2025 6:28 pm

bpj wrote:
Tue Sep 02, 2025 5:28 pm

When Dylan got steady playing time, he was an above average player. Like many players he was streaky, but unlike most players, any time he'd be on a down streak, they'd replace him with the prospect-of-the-week.

When they started jerking him around, he'd fall off. Including this year.

This season, prior to the Mariners calling up Cole Young, Moore had played 45 games and gotten 143 plate appearances. An average of 3.11 per game.

He had an .803 OPS and a 126 wRC+, and was on pace for 2.4 fWAR, while playing multiple positions.

Then, they handed his playing time to Cole Young/Ben Williamson. After 5/31, when Young was called up, Moore got 70 plate appearances in 44 games (1.59 per game). And didn't play half the games in between. Jerked around.

And then fans are like, wow, what's wrong with Dylan Moore?? All he's ever needed is steady playing time. Instead, they'd call up Kelenic, or any of these other bums they've run through here and leapfrogged over Moore his entire career. They wasted a good player by handing the opportunites to a long list of losers hoping they'd be better than Moore.
For some reason I thought Moore was hurt this year....and when he came back he was terrible. Am I misremembering?

As for why they jerked him around, it seemed they always excused it by saying he was better when he wasn't out there full time...right? That always seemed odd to me. What player gets better with intermittent playing time?

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Re: Dilly is a Ranger?

Post by Donn Beach » Tue Sep 02, 2025 6:51 pm

Michael K. wrote:
Tue Sep 02, 2025 6:28 pm
bpj wrote:
Tue Sep 02, 2025 5:28 pm

When Dylan got steady playing time, he was an above average player. Like many players he was streaky, but unlike most players, any time he'd be on a down streak, they'd replace him with the prospect-of-the-week.

When they started jerking him around, he'd fall off. Including this year.

This season, prior to the Mariners calling up Cole Young, Moore had played 45 games and gotten 143 plate appearances. An average of 3.11 per game.

He had an .803 OPS and a 126 wRC+, and was on pace for 2.4 fWAR, while playing multiple positions.

Then, they handed his playing time to Cole Young/Ben Williamson. After 5/31, when Young was called up, Moore got 70 plate appearances in 44 games (1.59 per game). And didn't play half the games in between. Jerked around.

And then fans are like, wow, what's wrong with Dylan Moore?? All he's ever needed is steady playing time. Instead, they'd call up Kelenic, or any of these other bums they've run through here and leapfrogged over Moore his entire career. They wasted a good player by handing the opportunites to a long list of losers hoping they'd be better than Moore.
For some reason I thought Moore was hurt this year....and when he came back he was terrible. Am I misremembering?

As for why they jerked him around, it seemed they always excused it by saying he was better when he wasn't out there full time...right? That always seemed odd to me. What player gets better with intermittent playing time?
not everybody gets to play all the time, I don't know if that's being jerked around. It's a role a team needs to fill, and its an important role. Other players seemed to have been able to do it. Seems a little odd to me to say the guy can't handle part time work so we need to make him full time.

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Re: Dilly is a Ranger?

Post by bpj » Tue Sep 02, 2025 6:58 pm

Donn Beach wrote:
Tue Sep 02, 2025 6:51 pm
Michael K. wrote:
Tue Sep 02, 2025 6:28 pm
bpj wrote:
Tue Sep 02, 2025 5:28 pm

When Dylan got steady playing time, he was an above average player. Like many players he was streaky, but unlike most players, any time he'd be on a down streak, they'd replace him with the prospect-of-the-week.

When they started jerking him around, he'd fall off. Including this year.

This season, prior to the Mariners calling up Cole Young, Moore had played 45 games and gotten 143 plate appearances. An average of 3.11 per game.

He had an .803 OPS and a 126 wRC+, and was on pace for 2.4 fWAR, while playing multiple positions.

Then, they handed his playing time to Cole Young/Ben Williamson. After 5/31, when Young was called up, Moore got 70 plate appearances in 44 games (1.59 per game). And didn't play half the games in between. Jerked around.

And then fans are like, wow, what's wrong with Dylan Moore?? All he's ever needed is steady playing time. Instead, they'd call up Kelenic, or any of these other bums they've run through here and leapfrogged over Moore his entire career. They wasted a good player by handing the opportunites to a long list of losers hoping they'd be better than Moore.
For some reason I thought Moore was hurt this year....and when he came back he was terrible. Am I misremembering?

As for why they jerked him around, it seemed they always excused it by saying he was better when he wasn't out there full time...right? That always seemed odd to me. What player gets better with intermittent playing time?
not everybody gets to play all the time, I don't know if that's being jerked around. It's a role a team needs to fill, and its an important role. Other players seemed to have been able to do it. Seems a little odd to me to say the guy can't handle part time work so we need to make him full time.
They used him how they used him, and that's what they got.

They brought up Cole Young when Moore had an .803 OPS, and Moore lost playing time to Ben Williamson and Cole Young.

How'd that go?

Nobody said what you're twisting it into.

It's not, "Moore can't handle part time play, so we need to play him full time."

It's, "Moore has already been contributing while he's on the field, why tf are you leapfrogging him to get these two rookies playing time?!"

And now we're fighting for the last wild card spot. Surprise.

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Re: Dilly is a Ranger?

Post by Sibelius Hindemith » Tue Sep 02, 2025 7:03 pm

So far 3 for 6 for the Rangers with 2 singles and a HR. Just one K.

.500/1.000/1.500 :x

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Re: Dilly is a Ranger?

Post by Donn Beach » Tue Sep 02, 2025 7:07 pm


It's, "Moore has already been contributing while he's on the field, why tf are you leapfrogging him to get these two rookies playing time?!"
because he is filling a role, then you have to find someone else to fill that role

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