A question to those who voted for Trump

[acctingman]

After the speeches by those two lunatics yesterday, I wonder if people who voted for Trump have any regrets?

[bpj]

After the speeches by those two lunatics yesterday, I wonder if people who voted for Trump have any regrets?

As opposed to Kamala? Or some third viable candidate that didnt exist?

I have a feeling exactly 0 people regret voting for Trump over Kamala regardless of how bad they think he's done. She was obviously worse. A cackling retard.

Personally, I loved hearing Hegseth say our military members shouldn't be big fat trannys. Seems pretty obvious to anyone that doesn't like wearing dresses.

[DanielVogelbach]

People would have all kinds of regrets about the politicians they vote for if they were held accountable for the actions of those politicians. Instead they just continue to obey and comply and sings the songs and shoot the fireworks.

[bpj]

People would have all kinds of regrets about the politicians they vote for if they were held accountable for the actions of those politicians. Instead they just continue to obey and comply and sings the songs and shoot the fireworks.

Just like you do.

[DanielVogelbach]

People would have all kinds of regrets about the politicians they vote for if they were held accountable for the actions of those politicians. Instead they just continue to obey and comply and sings the songs and shoot the fireworks.

Just like you do.

The point here is about "representation" versus agency. The "representative" government obfuscates who is behind the evil and immoral acts. Only an agent can lawfully act on your behalf. "Government" is just a scam to mind control people into thinking that a group of people has the right to do something that would otherwise obviously be seen as illegitimate e.g. rob your neighbor to pay for something that you want.

As for me, I'm a voluntaryist / anarchist. You already know I'm not singing songs and waving flags. You already know I'm promoting homeschool, homesteading, permaculture, food forests, earth ships, sound money, free markets, and free minds. You already know I'm an opponent of the most dangerous superstition, which is the belief that anyone has the right to rule over another human being. I'm an opponent of the cult of statism.

I might shoot some fireworks or watch some sports. Oh no. Am I not righteous enough? That's why I specifically asked you what should I do? Vote for a politician? I'm convinced that if voting mattered then they wouldn't let you do it. It's an obedience ritual. But, I'm open to other ideas so please share.

I personally think using force in self defense is on the table. But, I think non-violent, non-compliance is all that's really necessary. Plus, where do you draw the line in terms of blaming someone for being a brainwashed slave of the system? That's why I see the mind control as the main enemy. The K-12 indoctrination camps, Hollyweird, and the "news". Ultimately, a ruling class using the tools of central banks and governments to enslave humanity. It might be fashionable to say small government, but I think that what's best and most moral is no government, because what is government other than an excuse to legitimize what would otherwise be considered illegitimate?

I'm not sure how much we can hope to achieve, but I know what's useless, baseless, fake, trickery, propaganda, deception, obviously bad. How much energy am I giving to the fake politics? How many wars have I fought in? How much propaganda have I spread? Whose kids have I taught fake history to? How many times have I turned on my strobe lights to harass a peaceful person doing 20 MPH over on a wide open road while riding in my taxpayer funded hot rod? How much punishment to I advocate for if you don't pay your taxes, pay someone less than minimum wage, cross over a border, or smoke a plant? That's right, I advocate for zero punishment because it's none of my damn business.

Everyone can have their opinion as to what would make the most positive changes in society. I think recognizing objective morality will go a long way. The vast majority of people aren't looking for confrontation or trying to illegitimately violate other people. Vast majority want to see less violence, poverty, war, etc. Many people want to live in communities with people that look like they do. It's not like peace and prosperity are some sort of fringe desires. It's what everyone wants, but only the ruling class gets, because people are too lost in the trance to free themselves.

The so-called "leaders" have no power without order followers. When you remove the blind allegiance to symbols, flags, and fake fiat currency, then the only thing that remains is free exchange of goods and services. That will bring about the highest possible levels of peace and prosperity. It's not about forcing anyone to do anything. It's about freedom.

It's funny how often politicians use the word freedom. Land of the free. It's all mind control. They call it "capitalism", but whatever - it's all controlled by ruling class thugs. At least at one point the currency was backed by precious metal. Now, we don't even have that. So, no, you won't see my waving the flag anytime soon. This is a sports forum, but we have a separate section for politics. Yet, in USA pro sports the national cult sing-a-long is performed before every single game! In school there is a pledge of allegiance. Shit's crazy!

[XpertDBA]

People would have all kinds of regrets about the politicians they vote for if they were held accountable for the actions of those politicians. Instead they just continue to obey and comply and sings the songs and shoot the fireworks.

Just like you do.

The point here is about "representation" versus agency. The "representative" government obfuscates who is behind the evil and immoral acts. Only an agent can lawfully act on your behalf. "Government" is just a scam to mind control people into thinking that a group of people has the right to do something that would otherwise obviously be seen as illegitimate e.g. rob your neighbor to pay for something that you want.

As for me, I'm a voluntaryist / anarchist. You already know I'm not singing songs and waving flags. You already know I'm promoting homeschool, homesteading, permaculture, food forests, earth ships, sound money, free markets, and free minds. You already know I'm an opponent of the most dangerous superstition, which is the belief that anyone has the right to rule over another human being. I'm an opponent of the cult of statism.

I might shoot some fireworks or watch some sports. Oh no. Am I not righteous enough? That's why I specifically asked you what should I do? Vote for a politician? I'm convinced that if voting mattered then they wouldn't let you do it. It's an obedience ritual. But, I'm open to other ideas so please share.

I personally think using force in self defense is on the table. But, I think non-violent, non-compliance is all that's really necessary. Plus, where do you draw the line in terms of blaming someone for being a brainwashed slave of the system? That's why I see the mind control as the main enemy. The K-12 indoctrination camps, Hollyweird, and the "news". Ultimately, a ruling class using the tools of central banks and governments to enslave humanity. It might be fashionable to say small government, but I think that what's best and most moral is no government, because what is government other than an excuse to legitimize what would otherwise be considered illegitimate?

I'm not sure how much we can hope to achieve, but I know what's useless, baseless, fake, trickery, propaganda, deception, obviously bad. How much energy am I giving to the fake politics? How many wars have I fought in? How much propaganda have I spread? Whose kids have I taught fake history to? How many times have I turned on my strobe lights to harass a peaceful person doing 20 MPH over on a wide open road while riding in my taxpayer funded hot rod? How much punishment to I advocate for if you don't pay your taxes, pay someone less than minimum wage, cross over a border, or smoke a plant? That's right, I advocate for zero punishment because it's none of my damn business.

Everyone can have their opinion as to what would make the most positive changes in society. I think recognizing objective morality will go a long way. The vast majority of people aren't looking for confrontation or trying to illegitimately violate other people. Vast majority want to see less violence, poverty, war, etc. Many people want to live in communities with people that look like they do. It's not like peace and prosperity are some sort of fringe desires. It's what everyone wants, but only the ruling class gets, because people are too lost in the trance to free themselves.

The so-called "leaders" have no power without order followers. When you remove the blind allegiance to symbols, flags, and fake fiat currency, then the only thing that remains is free exchange of goods and services. That will bring about the highest possible levels of peace and prosperity. It's not about forcing anyone to do anything. It's about freedom.

It's funny how often politicians use the word freedom. Land of the free. It's all mind control. They call it "capitalism", but whatever - it's all controlled by ruling class thugs. At least at one point the currency was backed by precious metal. Now, we don't even have that. So, no, you won't see my waving the flag anytime soon. This is a sports forum, but we have a separate section for politics. Yet, in USA pro sports the national cult sing-a-long is performed before every single game! In school there is a pledge of allegiance. Shit's crazy!

You're always free to leave such an oppressive, fake government country. Why the hell would you ever stay here? Seems pretty hypocritical to me.

[DavidGee24]

Just like you do.

The point here is about "representation" versus agency. The "representative" government obfuscates who is behind the evil and immoral acts. Only an agent can lawfully act on your behalf. "Government" is just a scam to mind control people into thinking that a group of people has the right to do something that would otherwise obviously be seen as illegitimate e.g. rob your neighbor to pay for something that you want.

As for me, I'm a voluntaryist / anarchist. You already know I'm not singing songs and waving flags. You already know I'm promoting homeschool, homesteading, permaculture, food forests, earth ships, sound money, free markets, and free minds. You already know I'm an opponent of the most dangerous superstition, which is the belief that anyone has the right to rule over another human being. I'm an opponent of the cult of statism.

I might shoot some fireworks or watch some sports. Oh no. Am I not righteous enough? That's why I specifically asked you what should I do? Vote for a politician? I'm convinced that if voting mattered then they wouldn't let you do it. It's an obedience ritual. But, I'm open to other ideas so please share.

I personally think using force in self defense is on the table. But, I think non-violent, non-compliance is all that's really necessary. Plus, where do you draw the line in terms of blaming someone for being a brainwashed slave of the system? That's why I see the mind control as the main enemy. The K-12 indoctrination camps, Hollyweird, and the "news". Ultimately, a ruling class using the tools of central banks and governments to enslave humanity. It might be fashionable to say small government, but I think that what's best and most moral is no government, because what is government other than an excuse to legitimize what would otherwise be considered illegitimate?

I'm not sure how much we can hope to achieve, but I know what's useless, baseless, fake, trickery, propaganda, deception, obviously bad. How much energy am I giving to the fake politics? How many wars have I fought in? How much propaganda have I spread? Whose kids have I taught fake history to? How many times have I turned on my strobe lights to harass a peaceful person doing 20 MPH over on a wide open road while riding in my taxpayer funded hot rod? How much punishment to I advocate for if you don't pay your taxes, pay someone less than minimum wage, cross over a border, or smoke a plant? That's right, I advocate for zero punishment because it's none of my damn business.

Everyone can have their opinion as to what would make the most positive changes in society. I think recognizing objective morality will go a long way. The vast majority of people aren't looking for confrontation or trying to illegitimately violate other people. Vast majority want to see less violence, poverty, war, etc. Many people want to live in communities with people that look like they do. It's not like peace and prosperity are some sort of fringe desires. It's what everyone wants, but only the ruling class gets, because people are too lost in the trance to free themselves.

The so-called "leaders" have no power without order followers. When you remove the blind allegiance to symbols, flags, and fake fiat currency, then the only thing that remains is free exchange of goods and services. That will bring about the highest possible levels of peace and prosperity. It's not about forcing anyone to do anything. It's about freedom.

It's funny how often politicians use the word freedom. Land of the free. It's all mind control. They call it "capitalism", but whatever - it's all controlled by ruling class thugs. At least at one point the currency was backed by precious metal. Now, we don't even have that. So, no, you won't see my waving the flag anytime soon. This is a sports forum, but we have a separate section for politics. Yet, in USA pro sports the national cult sing-a-long is performed before every single game! In school there is a pledge of allegiance. Shit's crazy!

You're always free to leave such an oppressive, fake government country. Why the hell would you ever stay here? Seems pretty hypocritical to me.

Is there really ANY country that isn't like that? No matter where you live, somebody's ruling you. I'd imagine that even North Sentinel Island has a centralized government. Maybe Vogie should go ashore and ask the good folks there if their prime minister is an oppressive chap.

[DanielVogelbach]

You're always free to leave such an oppressive, fake government country. Why the hell would you ever stay here? Seems pretty hypocritical to me.

The "countries" are all fake and not truly sovereign entities. This is already in your face. The flags of all the nations look the same. They all have a coat of arms. International Monetary Fund. United Nations. The Jews. China producing every product sold in USA. Obviously we live in a one world system

I'm not anti USA, I'm anti-statism. Anti-slavery.

That being said, I'm not against the idea of relocation. Go where you are treated the best. In general it's almost always easier to improve your situation by relocating than to try and make things better where you currently are. In a way, this is similar to moving from the ghetto to an affluent neighborhood. You could try to eliminate crime in the slums, or you could just move out of the slums. So, the point is not 100% invalid, but it's obviously not as simple as just push a button and boom I'm all situated in Central America.

The most obvious obstacle with expatriation is family. But, if I was going to leave I think I would go to Mexico.

[DanielVogelbach]

Is there really ANY country that isn't like that? No matter where you live, somebody's ruling you. I'd imagine that even North Sentinel Island has a centralized government. Maybe Vogie should go ashore and ask the good folks there if their prime minister is an oppressive chap.

There really isn't anywhere to go. It's a one world system. You could see it during Covid. Every single "country" locked their people down. Not one single country said, we're going to put freedom first.

That being said, there is some difference between the freedom you will get depending on where you live. Even in USA, Texas and Montana are more free than California and New York.

With regards to other "countries". In general, where there's less technology, there's more freedom. That's one factor.

I'm no expert on comparing different countries and what freedoms they afford. I think in North and Central America it goes North to South. Canada is the most tyrannical, then USA, then Mexico, and then Central America is the most free.

Additionally, there are what's known as parallel societies. Intentional communities. You can figure out ways to live more free without switching plantations.

[gil]

Is there really ANY country that isn't like that? No matter where you live, somebody's ruling you. I'd imagine that even North Sentinel Island has a centralized government. Maybe Vogie should go ashore and ask the good folks there if their prime minister is an oppressive chap.

There really isn't anywhere to go. It's a one world system. You could see it during Covid. Every single "country" locked their people down. Not one single country said, we're going to put freedom first.

That being said, there is some difference between the freedom you will get depending on where you live. Even in USA, Texas and Montana are more free than California and New York.

With regards to other "countries". In general, where there's less technology, there's more freedom. That's one factor.

I'm no expert on comparing different countries and what freedoms they afford. I think in North and Central America it goes North to South. Canada is the most tyrannical, then USA, then Mexico, and then Central America is the most free.

Additionally, there are what's known as parallel societies. Intentional communities. You can figure out ways to live more free without switching plantations.

Actually, Sweden did not lock down, as far as I know.