Holy Shit there is a Game going on Game thread.

[Sibelius Hindemith]

I'd say 88 yards passing in game one after the two minute warning wasn't very aggressive. I'd say folding up shop twice and settling for long FGs isn't aggressive, and I'd say the sheet number of basic dive plays resulting in little to no gain isn't aggressive.

I'd say I watch our offense and a lot of times I'm frustrated. Again, agree to disagree I guess.

I agree for the most part. It's just that after 14 years with PC it's hard not to view things as more aggressive or less risk-aversive.

[Donn Beach]

That's more about how the offense has functioned overall than aggressiveness. You would probably have to look at specific situations although i don't know where you'd begin with that. I think the two examples of appearing to settle for long field goal attempts rather than get the 1st down carry more weight because the stakes were higher (i.e. higher leverage). But you could look at decisions to go for it on 4th down or throw downfield on 3rd and long and so forth and there has been an improvement there i think.

That is my point, you have to look at it in terms of situations. I don't think any coach is constantly aggressive. Kubiak went no huddle 4th and 2 with a TD pass instead of settling for a go ahead FG with the game on the line, that's not being aggressive in a high leverage situation? That was MM acknowledging he couldn't be assured of keeping TB from scoring again and it was the right call because they couldn't. I think in general terms they push the ball up field, it seems hard for me with them leading the league in yards per play since week two that the offense lacks aggression. The basic risk aggression metric seems to be willingness to go fourth down, and MM seems middle of the pack. On the other hand, yeah, they have sat on leads in a way that wasn't aggressive.

Terms of the point I had tried to make, I would say putting your 3rd string qb in to run an option play as aggressive, it wasn't conservative, and it backfired in terms of risk, and I would say MM is more aggressive than PC. Generally speaking I think MM is probably middle of the pack. I don't see them being outrageously risk adverse or do I see it as a particular issue. The issue is now an inability to keep the other team out of the end zone.

[Donn Beach]

Mahomes getting accused of throwing his teammates under the bus, but he is right, the talent across the league is so even, its often mistakes that make the difference

“We have the guys and we’ve executed at certain points in games and looked really good, but we crush ourselves with penalties and mistakes," Mahomes added. "We’ve done that to ourselves all season long. It’s been one guy here or there. In this league, it’s so close that those [moments] change games."

[Michael K.]

Terms of the point I had tried to make, I would say putting your 3rd string qb in to run an option play as aggressive, it wasn't conservative, and it backfired in terms of risk, and I would say MM is more aggressive than PC. Generally speaking I think MM is probably middle of the pack. I don't see them being outrageously risk adverse or do I see it as a particular issue. The issue is now an inability to keep the other team out of the end zone.

There is a difference between aggressive and stupid.

[Donn Beach]

the deal to me is, we are playing the 6th game of the season and he has ran a total of three plays. It's weird to me, if he was actually qbing the team, no matter how bad his first three plays of his career were they would get pretty much forgotten. It's given his first three plays all this magnitude. What is the point, I just don't understand it.

[Michael K.]

the deal to me is, we are playing the 6th game of the season and he has ran a total of three plays. It's weird to me, if he was actually qbing the team, no matter how bad his first three plays of his career were they would get pretty much forgotten. It's given his first three plays all this magnitude. What is the point, I just don't understand it.

There is no point, it makes no sense, and they have all been either wasted plays or an utter disaster. I understand you don't agree, but these are things that should and normally do...get worked out in the Pre-Season. It's as if they are experimenting during the regular season, and in the last instance? It most likely cost us a football game.

[Donn Beach]

here is Seaside, this is after the last exhibition game, his take on Milroe,

Is Jalen Milroe a liability?
The Seahawks can't put the ball in Milroe's hands yet

forgot about the TOs, the guy is a TO machine

Milroe hasn’t done anything wrong. He just hasn’t fixed what has always been wrong. He’s an inaccurate thrower who needs to do a better job of protecting the football. Milroe’s three fumbles against the Packers on Saturday were a reflection of the turnover issues, but he was due for some costly mistakes given how he had played in the previous two games as well.

he has so much to work on, he really is a mess, if they feel they can fix him so be it, but i don't see what running him out there for a play every other game has to do with it. They aren't doing him any favors and he is a liability to the team

Milroe accounted for 3 turnovers in each of his final 3 college games. Milroe’s ball-security issues are alarming. He fumbled 24 times in his 2 seasons as a starter, and while his 67 missed tackles forced in that stretch will have some NFL folks salivating because of the increased emphasis on the quarterback run game, it’s also worth remembering that he was sacked 67 times. His 200 scramble yards in 2024 only ranked No. 50 among FBS quarterbacks, and it was barely good enough to crack the top 10 in the SEC.

In addition, Milroe ranked 77th in the country in completion rate when under pressure (43.5%), which he figures to be in a lot because defensive coordinators are really good at taking away his first read. Milroe’s nine interceptions when he wasn’t under pressure were the most in college football.

That's why they drafted him, okay. Then focus on fixing him, they have four years to do it

The Seahawks did not draft Milroe in the third round to compete with Sam Darnold or to challenge Drew Lock as the backup, neither long-term or as the active option on gamedays*. Seattle drafted Milroe as a lottery ticket who could payoff long-term if the coaching staff is able to raise the level of his passing skills and quarterback IQ just high enough to be acceptable when combined with his gifts as a runner.

seaside can tend to sound prophetic to me at times

Today’s Milroe would be a liability in the regular season, perhaps not just as a quarterback but also as a runner; Can he hold onto the ball if the player tackling him is Nick Bosa or Fred Warner instead of guys who are about to get some very bad news on Tuesday? If the Seahawks lose to the 49ers in Week 1, that loss could end up being Macdonald’s greatest regret of the season.

and I will toss this in, an opinion about the preseason

I would go as far as to say that teams should not be forced to play preseason games. That’s probably not an option due to the $$$, but similar how teams get to pick and choose if they want to hold joint practices or scrimmage games, shouldn’t everything that goes into a season be a case-by-case decision? If some teams want to elect to only have 2 preseason games instead of 3, I think that should be allowed.

Not only do we get injuries, but we get so many games where one or both teams clearly do not care and don’t want to be there. That’s a recipe for disaster. The downside to that is that there are players trying to put themselves on film to get more opportunities in the future…

https://www.seasidejoe.com/p/seahawks-j ... -liability