SLAC game 7 GT 10/20

[D-train]

Thoughts looking forward:

1) M's have way too many sub .250 hitters.
2) Would have been a disaster to play the $600 million dollar Dodgers in the WS.
3) League needs to institute a salary cap.
4) Placed way too much confidence in marginal relief pitchers.

Dodgers have 3.3% more wins than us. NFL Salary cap started in 1994. Since then there have been three dynasties. There have only been one in MLB the Yankees in the late 1990s so that is complete bullshit monkey brained Parrot take.

[D-train]

Speaking of pulling your pitcher way too early, that idiotic pull of Cy Young Skubal after 6, after pitching a two hitter and striking out 13, with a one run lead, handed the Ms that series.

But these modern managers are all hyperactive, they’d rather do something than nothing.

Bringing in a relief pitcher when no relief is needed, is dumb.

In 1975 Catfish Hunter had 30 complete games. In 2025 there were 12 complete games in all of MLB.

By the time he was 30 he was cooked, but he, Ken Holtzman and Vida Blue throwing all those innings probably helped the A's (and then later for Catfish the Yanks) win those pennants and championships. You know who it definitely helped? Those Dodger teams of the '60s. If Sandy Koufax and Don Drysdale didn't throw all those innings the Dodgers at best win one pennant instead of three (with two World Series championships).

For shits and giggles I looked up the list of Mariner pitchers who have thrown 10 or more complete games in a season. Here's the list:

Mike Parrott, 13 in 1979
Jim Beattie, 12 in 1984
Mike Moore, 14 in 1985, 11 in 1986, 12 in 1987
Mark Langston, 14 in 1987
Randy Johnson, 10 in 1983

Nobody on the 1969 Pilots did it, Gene Brabender led the team with 7 complete games.

But yeah, managers these days try too hard to be the hero, and that's what Wilson did by having short leashes on Kirby (who was on) and Woo (who wasn't at his best but was still getting outs and by the way is our best pitcher). Bazardo did a great job for us though until last night so it wasn't quite like calling a goal-line slant to the special teams gunner with a chance to win the Super Bowl.

Randy was a Trojan in 1983. I played me best golf at Ballinger Golf course in 1983. The last summer of my life with no worries.

[DavidGee24]

This is insane. Mariners who were at right about or below (and in many cases WAY below) the Mendoza Line in the playoffs:

Julio 10-48 (.208), 19 Ks
JP 8-40 (.200), 2 XB hits
Arozarena 9-48 (.188), 2 XB hits, 19 Ks (had over a 1.200 OPS in seven playoff series with Tampa Bay)
Rivas 2-17 (.118), 0 XB hits, 9 Ks
Robles 3-27 (.111), 0 XB hits
Canzone 3-28 (.107), 0 XB hits

How the hell is this even possible. And how the hell did we even make it to needing only two more runs to win the pennant.

[DanielVogelbach]

Thoughts looking forward:

1) M's have way too many sub .250 hitters.
2) Would have been a disaster to play the $600 million dollar Dodgers in the WS.
3) League needs to institute a salary cap.
4) Placed way too much confidence in marginal relief pitchers.

Dodgers have 3.3% more wins than us. NFL Salary cap started in 1994. Since then there have been three dynasties. There have only been one in MLB the Yankees in the late 1990s so that is complete bullshit monkey brained Parrot take.

Salary cap is contrived parity where your favorite players end up on other teams as "cap casualties" (still happens in MLB when GM has a set payroll, but at least they have flexibility)

I like it better without salary cap. It makes it seem more like the franchises are independent rather than everyone just working for the league. They still have their rules limiting free agency that provide competitive balance. The end result is simply that veteran free agents end up on certain teams. But, those teams are still beatable.

[DanielVogelbach]

I'm not sure if Julio is ever going to become a high average hitter. He can be frustrating to watch, but he plays good CF and puts up decent numbers. I think he's overall a massive positive even with the swing and miss propensity. Same thing with Cal.

Julio and Cal are the backbone.

Are there any top of rotation pitchers available in FA? Are there any pitchers that can shut down Toronto and New York? Seems like Ms have the pitching to get to the post season, but missing that superstar Skubal type pitcher to dominate a couple games in the series. Kirby and Woo are the closest and potentially can get even better. Woo's injury was bad timing.

Sign Josh Naylor seems obvious. Not sure if there would be any other good FA options for a solid bat.

Mariners fans are gonna be super ready for Opening Day after such a devastating loss!

[Lamda]

Woo's injury minorly helped because who pitched in his place was Miller and he threw the ball well so there would have been no change in the outcome if he had been available.

The problem with Gilbert and Kirby is they are getting to the point where we need to offer them 4-5 year contract extensions - are they worth it? After what we saw this postseason - i'm not so sure as I once was.

[bpj]

Woo's injury minorly helped because who pitched in his place was Miller and he threw the ball well so there would have been no change in the outcome if he had been available.

The problem with Gilbert and Kirby is they are getting to the point where we need to offer them 4-5 year contract extensions - are they worth it? After what we saw this postseason - i'm not so sure as I once was.

Agreed, can't keep everybody long term.

The best way to maximize the organizational longevity is to trade guys like Castillo, and Arozarena this year, and Gilbert, Kirby in the next couple years, and turn them into some top shiny prospects/young major leaguers.

Then, get their replacements in free agency or trade from depth, and your system is stuffed with talent.

Raley/Robles replaces Arozarena and saves $11M+ if Arozarena can bring a good trade piece in return. I'd pull the trigger and put the money towards a need.

Woo/Miller pretty much already replace Castillo pretty seamlessly, imo, with the depth we have in the minors also. I don't think we should be the team to count on him in 2026. If a good return was there, I'd trade him too.

Otherwise you're just running out their playing time and letting them walk in the end and your organization is just down a player.

[DanielVogelbach]

This loss is gonna have everyone thinking about the Mariners all winter long.

Most devastating loss in franchise history makes for the most important offseason in franchise history.

I'm not sure exactly how much more money ownership makes when they make a deep run like this. But, it's obviously good for the brand and I'm sure they would open up the payroll a bit more for continuation of a winning product. I don't know what all is available, but Naylor seems like a good bet for ownership. Even if he fails, he's already a fan favorite. Versus try for someone else and then if that doesn't work out you risk fan loyalty. Naylor is really the safe bet for ownership in that regard.

I would love to see them acquire a true ace from someone. Maybe that can be the deadline deal in 2026.

Not sure what you can get in return for Randy, but maybe a bag of baseballs, which would be fine.

I assume they're gonna fill the offensive void with Geno and Josh hitting free agency. It was really those two acquisitions that thwarted them into becoming an elite contender. It really seems like they should just be aiming to sign Naylor ASAP. Kock it out early then move on to the rest of the roster.

Dipoto got the team this far. Overall, he seems competent enough. The team has the ability to play at a high level. Things are going good, but for all we know it could be 20 years before the next ALCS. Hopefully, not. Hopefully we get some good moves during the winter to get us excited for another season of Mariners baseball.

[Pharmabro]

fuck

[Pharmabro]

no more games and no hot stove